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Shane English School (again)

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Shane English School (again)

Postby Aotearoa Teacher » 18 Jun 2015, 08:39

Hi,
I hope everyone can forgive me for posting about this topic when it's already been talked about but I've searched through the forum and couldn't find much recent (2015) information on Shane Schools from people who've worked for them.
I've just been offered a job with Shane and am just waiting to hear the exact location in Taiwan (my preference is Taipei or Taichung) before I make a decision. I'm 26, have an Honours degree and have just completed CELTA, but have no other teaching experience. I'm currently in New Zealand. Shane has offered me $530 an hour which seems very low (I understand the average is $600). Money definitely isn't my main priority in going to Taiwan and I'm good at living cheaply, but I'd still like to be able to live comfortably and save a bit.
I know I could apply for other places that pay more but the main advantages of going with Shane seem to be that they'd help me get set up, offer support (I only speak very basic Mandarin at present), and a guaranteed job with guaranteed 80 hours pay each month. If I did take it, my plan would be to work there for 6 months to a year to gain experience and then go for other, better jobs.
So my main questions are: would I be crazy to accept such a low wage? would it be acceptable to ask for more money from them (other people online seem to report getting higher pay, but I know there's a surplus in the supply of teachers so I don't have much bargaining power)?
If anyone has any more recent advice on Shane that would be most appreciated!
Thanks!
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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby BigJohn » 18 Jun 2015, 12:17

In short, yes. If you want to come to Taiwan, then get a job like that and then change up when you get here. Note that Taichung is much cheaper to lve in than Taipei.
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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby gavmasterflash » 18 Jun 2015, 13:14

530 per hour? WTF?!?!?!?! They must think people are really stupid. Don't take it, it will only further depress wages for the rest of us. If you want to make a decent amount of money, just come here on your own and find something. It's not that hard and you'll do much better than 530 an hour. Also the amount of hours they are offering is dick. That's barely over 40,000 NT a month. After you get taxes, labor and health insurance deducted you'll barely crack 30,000 NT a month, about $1000 USD. That is a pitiful sum and you'll find yourself scraping by, unless you enjoy eating the shite local food and don't want to drink, party or even do any domestic traveling. Maybe if you're lucky you'll be able to afford a plane ticket out of Taiwan at the end of one year if you really pinch every NT dollar.
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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby Taipan1975 » 18 Jun 2015, 13:34

The average is NOT NT$600/hr. That's the lowest anyone should ever think about accepting for a job and that would be with no experience and no TEFL/CELTA certification.
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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby 80sStar » 18 Jun 2015, 14:19

Do they honestly expect you to live in a tent? The level of wage you'd earn on 530 per hour at 80 hours per week would barely break 40k gross. That level of pay is just unconscionable, especially for major cities here. Foreign laborers get a better deal. They may earn a bit less, but at least their accommodation is provided and they take their savings to countries with favourable exchange rates.
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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby Aotearoa Teacher » 18 Jun 2015, 14:34

Yeah, it's just over 43,000 a month for 80 hours. Pretty terrible! Though I forgot to add it does also offer 27 days holiday pay and a bonus at 6 months and 12 months to reimburse the flight (so they say). I have an interview at another place soon so will see how much more they offer. Thanks for your replies :)
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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby Dr Jellyfish » 18 Jun 2015, 15:50

Knowing Shane, I'll doubt you get that many hours anyway. I'm wondering what do the other similar schools offer, like kojen (I think), and HESS?
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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby Hokwongwei » 18 Jun 2015, 16:05

80sStar wrote:Foreign laborers get a better deal


About $19,000 a month last I checked, and many have to pay a good portion of that to the sourcing agency that brought them to TW in the first place. (My wife was making $24,000 at her first job out of college, by the way.)

That's not to say we should accept low wages, just know that it's not as low as it goes. And if you complain about 40k to most Taiwanese people, they'll scratch their heads at where the problem is.
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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby RockOn » 18 Jun 2015, 22:15

gavmasterflash wrote:530 per hour? WTF?!?!?!?! They must think people are really stupid. Don't take it, it will only further depress wages for the rest of us. If you want to make a decent amount of money, just come here on your own and find something. It's not that hard and you'll do much better than 530 an hour. Also the amount of hours they are offering is dick. That's barely over 40,000 NT a month. After you get taxes, labor and health insurance deducted you'll barely crack 30,000 NT a month, about $1000 USD. That is a pitiful sum and you'll find yourself scraping by, unless you enjoy eating the shite local food and don't want to drink, party or even do any domestic traveling. Maybe if you're lucky you'll be able to afford a plane ticket out of Taiwan at the end of one year if you really pinch every NT dollar.


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Re: Shane English School (again)

Postby Charlie Phillips » 19 Jun 2015, 01:40

Aotearoa Teacher wrote:Yeah, it's just over 43,000 a month for 80 hours. Pretty terrible! Though I forgot to add it does also offer 27 days holiday pay and a bonus at 6 months and 12 months to reimburse the flight (so they say). I have an interview at another place soon so will see how much more they offer. Thanks for your replies :)


Don't think too much and don't mind the naysayers too much around here. The pitiful thing about the $530 an hour is it's the same that's been offered for about 12 years.

However, it's a 'training/probation' standard for fresh off the boat, inexperienced teachers. If you can last three months, you will get a pay rise, and if you are still breathing after six months, you will get more.

This pattern will continue until you hit a glass ceiling, go mad, run home with your tail between your legs, or drop dead.

Considering the high value of the New Taiwan Dollar, and the sinking feeling you get when holding NZD, you are not doing too bad at the moment.

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