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Who is Chinese? Is there a Chinese DNA required?

Who can and cannot be a dual national, as well as the joys and frustrations accompanying that status. Includes ROC Passport and Military Conscription issues
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Who is Chinese? Is there a Chinese DNA required?

Postby PeiAn » 31 Mar 2004, 16:29

I'm still trying to find out if some of my ancestors are Chinese or not, if I'm a 7th generation Chinese I have less than 1% Chinese blood in me, but this apparently enough?

According to the laws only people with Chinese ancestors can apply for Citizenship without giving up their current citizenship.

Questions:
1. Can I get a blood transfusion to get "chinese blood"? If so how much is required?
2. Do all Chinese people have common gene making them Chinese? If so is this gene mentioned in the law and only people with this gene can apply for passport?
3. Has anyone sued the Taiwanese government for racism or separatism on skin color?
4. If Taiwan has got a few lawsuits like these from foreigners with APRCs would that hurt Taiwan in a bid for UN or WHO? :twisted:
5. It's very hard to prove that I'm a 7th generation Chinese since Sweden didn't have official records dating that far back, but no one can prove that I'm NOT 7th generation Chinese either! Maybe a DNA test?

Desperate to become Taiwanese...
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Postby Juba » 31 Mar 2004, 21:32

China has a Russian ethnic minority. Russia was established by Vikings, and a lot of the Vikings came from Sweden. So try claiming that you or your forebears are Russian Chinese from Xinjiang or Heilongjiang. Come to think of it, I could try that too, being one eighth Danish.
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Re: Who is Chinese? Is there a Chinese DNA required?

Postby Hartzell » 31 Mar 2004, 21:40

PeiAn wrote:1. Can I get a blood transfusion to get "Chinese blood"? If so how much is required?

There are only four blood types: A, B, AB, O.

PeiAn wrote:2. Do all Chinese people have common gene making them Chinese? If so is this gene mentioned in the law and only people with this gene can apply for passport?

If you examine the gene structure, you will find no difference between Chinese, Japanese, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Germans, Spanish, French, Canadians, and Eskimos.

PeiAn wrote:3. Has anyone sued the Taiwanese government for racism or separatism on skin color?

I am unaware of any legal provisions in the Taiwan law which would provide a "basis" for such a suit.
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Aren't we all Chinese?

Postby PeiAn » 02 Apr 2004, 11:38

To my knowledge the Taiwan law states that you need to have Chinese blood relation (ZhungGuoXueTong), which is something that neither a DNA nor a blood test can prove.

Do I need to provide proof that I actually have Chinese blood relatives (within 7 generations), or do they have some test that can show I'm not Chinese?

To my knowledge only Jewish religion requires you to be born by a Jewish mother. Never heard of any country that states you need to be born or a decent by a certain race.
Previously South Africa had apartheid laws against black people (wonder how Michael Jackson would be listed there...), but those laws were abandoned due to international pressure several years ago.
Is Taiwan the only country left in the world that actually separates whites from yellows?

There must be a clear statement in the law that clearly defines who is Chinese and not. If a person claims he is of Chinese decent, they should be able to prove that this person is NOT Chinese by an easy test.

Since protests are so "popular" these days, what about all the long-term foreigners in Taiwan that DO NOT have the right to vote here, let's also stage a protest and ask for ID cards!
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Re: Aren't we all Chinese?

Postby Hartzell » 02 Apr 2004, 16:14

PeiAn wrote:There must be a clear statement in the law that clearly defines who is Chinese and not. If a person claims he is of Chinese decent, they should be able to prove that this person is NOT Chinese by an easy test.

It is not quite so easy . . . . . you also have to prove that you are not of PRC Chinese ancestry . . . . .

PeiAn wrote:Since protests are so "popular" these days, what about all the long-term foreigners in Taiwan that DO NOT have the right to vote here, let's also stage a protest and ask for ID cards!

According to Taiwan's Nationality Law, a foreigner must first renounce his/her original nationality . . . . . and only then are you allowed to obtain ROC nationality.
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Postby Spack » 02 Apr 2004, 16:20

PeiAn wrote:1. Can I get a blood transfusion to get "Chinese blood"? If so how much is required?

You've got to be kidding. [shakes head in disbelief]
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Postby Big Fluffy Matthew » 02 Apr 2004, 16:29

Spack wrote:
PeiAn wrote:1. Can I get a blood transfusion to get "Chinese blood"? If so how much is required?

You've got to be kidding. :noway:
There have been people who after having a bone marrow transplant, their blood carries the DNA of the donor.
Er.... thingy.
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Who is Chinese?

Postby PeiAn » 02 Apr 2004, 17:35

My quest is to become Taiwanese citizen without giving up my Swedish nationality. The only way to do this legally is to prove that I'm Chinese...

Hartzell wrote that people with PRC ancestry cannot get Taiwanese citizenship? Is this true? Since I have a few ABC friends that got Taiwanese passports eventhough they never had any relation to Taiwan (their parents and grandparents were from the mainland). Can this be verified? Or do I need to prove that my ancestors are in fact aborigines from Taiwan???

A bone marrow transplant... sounds very exciting... then I really do have Chinese blood and genes!!!
One would might ask how many organs do you need to change to become Chinese? Lungs, livers, heart... Does the law state this?
So a foreigner that has a car accident might have better chance to become Chinese than one who hasn't an accident???

This immigration law would never hold up in court...
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Re: Who is Chinese?

Postby Spack » 02 Apr 2004, 18:11

PeiAn wrote: One would might ask how many organs do you need to change to become Chinese? Lungs, livers, heart... Does the law state this?
So a foreigner that has a car accident might have better chance to become Chinese than one who hasn't an accident???


Is this Scandanavian humour or something?

I suggest you ingest a Chinese person to acquire the necessary volume of cells internally. 60 kilos ought to be enough.
You can advertise on the Internet for volunteers for suicide by cannibalism.
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Postby Durins Bane » 02 Apr 2004, 18:15

Why on earth has this thread digressed to this drivel. :wanker:
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