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 Post subject: Anti-China Protests - November 2008
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2008, 23:43 
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CCTV reporters' team had to run for cover inside a police car after being harassed by protesters' mob outside Regent, reported by SETN-Sanlih.

Even Sanlih - one of the most pro-DPP media around - condemned the incident.


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 Post subject: Re: Anti-China Protests - November 2008
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 02:22 
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What I got so far:

Woman chased down by police for displaying ROC flag

Music store was forced by police to stop playing Taiwanese music

Protesters bashed up limos leaving the grand hotel because they didn't know which one had Chen in it.

Police were taking away people's flags and banners


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 Post subject: Re: Anti-China Protests - November 2008
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 09:50 
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Tuesday night the protesters were outnumbered by police. Last night... the protesters were ready and the cops got the worst part.

Sanli's anchor had already expressed her outrage at the record store incident. Yesterday, the police chief insisted that: "the cops did not know what was playing, we did not take the record away, we only told the people to stand away from the closing iron gates..." Sir, learning taiwanese is hard, but many doctors and civil servants are doing it to communiicate better with the people they serve. how can cops know whether the song is in Thai, Swahili or Taiwanese, if they do not learn teh language? (I'm being ironic here).

I believe the people should protest the overruling of law, the interparty contracts, the delas on the side... thoise are teh dangerous things. The flag issue? It is more regarding teh bending too far to accomodate unpleasant guests... like teh ones taht can take away your land, your factories, your life, without hesitation.

All this talk about economic benefits... only benefits big laobans who will have lots of cheap labor. Wher ewill teh land costs go when all lands belong to teh State? Where will the stock market be when all enterprises are owned by party cadres? Banks are not that great, but when getting a loan depends on connections, it is a very lonely road. And we are at the starting gate.

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PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 14:30 
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Big party with lots of noise in Zhongshan right now.

Actually, a very calm crowd. I remember several times during the Red Tide, we had great difficulty in going out for lunch -and at least once all the doors had to be locked, leaving yours truly outside.

Traffic, on the other hand, is a nightmare. If anyone has to come to the area, plan accordingly.

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PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 16:34 
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OK. Not funny anymore. Noise increasing to unbearable levels. I can hear them with my earphones on. :help: :help:

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PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 16:49 
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Is it just me or are people just doing this for kicks?
There's no reason for all this shit, it just seems to be the equivalent of football hooligans in Europe, they just smash up things for the hell of it.
I understand people are concerned, but is anyone outside (or even inside) Taiwan going to take these people seriously?
Demonstrations are one thing, random violence and assault and what not is something completely different.

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PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 17:53 
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Buxiban's closed.

People sent home early.

Taita Hospital Station and Chiang Kai shek Station closed.

Eerie calm as column move stowards Presidential Building.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti-China Protests - November 2008
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 18:11 
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Is it just me or are people just doing this for kicks?
There's no reason for all this shit, it just seems to be the equivalent of football hooligans in Europe, they just smash up things for the hell of it.
I understand people are concerned, but is anyone outside (or even inside) Taiwan going to take these people seriously?
Demonstrations are one thing, random violence and assault and what not is something completely different.

Watching the news this afternoon, my wife and I were thinking along much the same line as you LostSwede.

One thing is clear, Taiwanese still have yet to embrace or understand the concept of peaceful protest.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti-China Protests - November 2008
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 18:55 
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I don't like the DPP and their supporters. I don't like the KMT either, but I like the idea of making deals that bring both sides together and create a less hostile atmosphere. What does the mob out there want? No talks with Mainland China at all?

I think the people should look closely at the agreements proposed and how both sides could benefit from them rather than refusing to talk at all.

On the other hand I like that people are demonstrating on Taiwan's streets. Blue, red, green whatever. Making your voice heard is part of a good democracy. Also, it reminds both Ma and Chen Yunlin that any changes they want to make have to be made very carefully.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti-China Protests - November 2008
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2008, 19:18 
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I just got back from the protest. I arrived around 1.30pm. The "violence" from what I saw was tiny, a few dozen people out of tens of thousands. So people, stopped falling for media propoganda. As soon as people starting getting rough wiht the police organizers jumped in immediately to try to stop them.

This was a peaceful protest and 99.99% of people simply marched and shouted as is their right.

I took tons of pics and will post some later.

One thing to consider though. This was gross overkill on the gov's part. I decided to walk around the cordoned area around the presidential building and it took me 1.5 hours. About 2 square kilometres or more were blocked off with barbed wire, metal fences and rows of cops in riot gear.

Provoke your people like this, act as if you are scared of them, and shit is going to happen.

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