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Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner on Organ Harvesting

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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby openjiang » 04 Nov 2013, 12:22

Benjamin K wrote:It is good for people to do sth to support the basic human rights.

Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner Calling for an Immediate End of Forced Organ Harvesting From Falun Gong Practitioners in China


http://www.dafoh.org/petition-to-the-un ... ct-form-13


It's one of the ways FLG likes to proselytise and promote themselves. Personally, I think people who have no clue about China should not be so quick to sign petitions based on (mis)information coming from a banned cult with an axe to grind.
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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby Tempo Gain » 04 Nov 2013, 12:32

This is a serious issue regardless of the source. Please stay on topic. The above post is fair but this isn't the place for another FLG discussion.

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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby Benjamin K » 04 Nov 2013, 15:09

openjiang wrote:
Benjamin K wrote:It is good for people to do sth to support the basic human rights.

Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner Calling for an Immediate End of Forced Organ Harvesting From Falun Gong Practitioners in China


http://www.dafoh.org/petition-to-the-un ... ct-form-13


It's one of the ways FLG likes to proselytise and promote themselves. Personally, I think people who have no clue about China should not be so quick to sign petitions based on (mis)information coming from a banned cult with an axe to grind.




Have you read the investigative report? Do you know who are the authors?

The Kilgour-Matas report is an investigative report by Canadian MP David Kilgour and human rights lawyer David Matas into allegations of organ harvesting from live practitioners of the Falun Gong spiritual movement in China, which was published July 2006 and revised in January 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgour-Matas_report


An Independent Investigation Into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China
By David Matas, Esq. and Hon. David Kilgour, Esq.

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/events.htm
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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby hsinhai78 » 04 Nov 2013, 20:49

The Kilgour-Matas reports simply finds that organs of executed prisoners were removed without the consent of the executed or their relatives. But where is the proof that FLG followers were executed to harvest their organs - because that is what the FLG sect alleges.
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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby finley » 04 Nov 2013, 20:59

hsinhai78: allegations against the falun gong have nothing whatsoever to do with the allegations against the Chinese state. Just because the religion is banned doesn't mean it's OK to persecute or abuse the followers.

China remains a third-world country which systematically destroyed its moral and cultural heritage just two generations ago. Suggesting that forced organ harvesting couldn't possibly happen there - when far worse things still go on - is rather naive. Quite frankly, I'd say this kind of thing (if it's true) would be fairly low down on the list of things wrong with China, and a petition to the UNHRC is unlikely to be of any interest to the Chinese powers-that-be.
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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby hsinhai78 » 04 Nov 2013, 21:17

finley wrote:hsinhai78: allegations against the falun gong have nothing whatsoever to do with the allegations against the Chinese state. Just because the religion is banned doesn't mean it's OK to persecute or abuse the followers.

China remains a third-world country which systematically destroyed its moral and cultural heritage just two generations ago. Suggesting that forced organ harvesting couldn't possibly happen there - when far worse things still go on - is rather naive. Quite frankly, I'd say this kind of thing (if it's true) would be fairly low down on the list of things wrong with China, and a petition to the UNHRC is unlikely to be of any interest to the Chinese powers-that-be.


I do not dispute that the Mainland authorities may harvest the organs of executed prisoners / prisoners who died of other causes without the level of consent needed in the West to do this. Among these prisoners there may also be falun gong members. I do not see any conclusive evidence however that falun gong members are systematically killed by Mainland authorities to harvest their organs.
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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby Benjamin K » 05 Nov 2013, 00:15

hsinhai78 wrote:The Kilgour-Matas reports simply finds that organs of executed prisoners were removed without the consent of the executed or their relatives. But where is the proof that FLG followers were executed to harvest their organs -



That only means you did not read the report carefully.

H. Conclusions

Based on our further research, we are reinforced in our original conclusion that the allegations are true. We believe that there has been and continues today to be large scale organ seizures from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners.

We have concluded that the government of China and its agencies in numerous parts of the country, in particular hospitals but also detention centres and 'people's courts', since 1999 have put to death a large but unknown number of Falun Gong prisoners of conscience. Their vital organs, including kidneys, livers, corneas and hearts, were seized involuntarily for sale at high prices, sometimes to foreigners, who normally face long waits for voluntary donations of such organs in their home countries.

How many of the victims were first convicted of any offence, serious or otherwise, in legitimate courts, we are unable to estimate because such information appears to be unavailable both to Chinese nationals and foreigners. It appears to us that many human beings belonging to a peaceful voluntary organization made illegal eight years ago by President Jiang because he thought it might threaten the dominance of the Communist Party of China have been in effect executed by medical practitioners for their organs.

Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence, but rather the piecing together of all the evidence we have considered. Each portion of the evidence we have considered is, in itself, verifiable and, in most cases, incontestable. Put together, they paint a damning whole picture. It is their combination that has convinced us.

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/re ... c160145147
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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby shiadoa » 05 Nov 2013, 03:09

Benjamin K wrote:
hsinhai78 wrote:The Kilgour-Matas reports simply finds that organs of executed prisoners were removed without the consent of the executed or their relatives. But where is the proof that FLG followers were executed to harvest their organs -



That only means you did not read the report carefully.

H. Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence,

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/re ... c160145147


Exactly :roll:
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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby Benjamin K » 05 Nov 2013, 03:27

shiadoa wrote:
H. Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence,

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/re ... c160145147

Exactly :roll:



Do you think you are doing sth funny?

Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence, but rather the piecing together of all the evidence we have considered. Each portion of the evidence we have considered is, in itself, verifiable and, in most cases, incontestable. Put together, they paint a damning whole picture. It is their combination that has convinced us.
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Re: Petition to the UN Human Rights High Commissioner

Postby shiadoa » 05 Nov 2013, 03:38

Benjamin K wrote:
shiadoa wrote:
H. Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence,

http://organharvestinvestigation.net/re ... c160145147

Exactly :roll:



Do you think you are doing sth funny?

Now now, Tolerance,forebearance etc. etc.

Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence, but rather the piecing together of all the evidence we have considered. Each portion of the evidence we have considered is, in itself, verifiable and, in most cases, incontestable. Put together, they paint a damning whole picture. It is their combination that has convinced us.

We will wait to see the Human Rights results also. Maybe your conclusions are absolutely correct. That is the inherent difference between us, I am willing to change my beliefs , given CREDIBLE evidence ,not simply the potentially alterior motivated musings of my Peers.
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