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Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 18 Feb 2016, 23:46

Generally speaking, China inherited the Mahāyāna Buddhism that existed in India before the Tang Dynasty in its entirety, whereas, following this time period, Tibet took over the non-Buddhist form that Indian Buddhism evolved into. After it flourished in India, Mahāyāna Buddhism gradually assimilated a large number of cultural elements from Hinduism, and, through this phenomenon of transculturation, it evolved into Tantric Buddhism, which became the prevalent philosophy of the Indian Buddha Dharma. These facts are attested by the archeological records uncovered at the ruins of the Nalanda Monastery and are also well evidenced by the bibliographies of Masters Xuanzang and Yiching.

At the time of Emperor Songtsän Gampo (around early Tang Dynasty), Tibet officially entered the era of writing and publication and profusely imported new cultural elements from India and China. The most impactful measure was certainly the installment of Buddhism as its state religion. After the Dark Age, Tibet adopted Tantric Buddhism from India almost in its entirety and incorporated some aspects of the local Bonpa religion therein. The dissemination of this practice by translation masters, such as Rinchen Bzangpo, during the period of the second propagation of Buddhism in Tibet helped establish the main structures of Tibetan Lamaism, which feature, in sequential order, Hīnayāna, Mahāyāna, Vajrayāna (Secret Mantra), and finally the attainment of Buddhahood in one single lifetime as its principal stages of cultivation.

The Tibetan Lamaist traditions that have existed since ancient times can be subsumed into two main systems based on their philosophical background: Tathāgatagarbha-Mādhyamaka and Prāsaṅgika-Mādhyamaka. The former system encompasses the following lineages: Nyingma, Kagyu, Sakya, Jonang, etc. It preaches about the Tathāgatagarbha, Svātantrika-Mādhyamaka, the Consciousness-Only view, the view of the non-duality of cyclic existence and nirvāṇa, the Great Middle Way, the view of other-emptiness, and so forth. Although these teachings are all based on the principle of “the non-existence of the conventional truth vs. the existence of the ultimate truth,” each school delineates the ultimate truth in a drastically different way. Separately, the doctrine of Prāsaṅgika-Mādhyamaka was popularized by Tsongkhapa, founder of the later-established Gelug tradition, as well as by his disciples over many generations. Boosted by its newly-acquired political predominance, the Gelug tradition’s endeavors thwarted the propagation of the thought pertaining to the class of the Tathāgatagarbha and led to a loss of talents in the related lineages. Up to present day, Prāsaṅgika-Mādhyamaka remains the prevalent thought within the Tibetan Lamaist philosophy. (Part 2)
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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 18 Feb 2016, 23:50

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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby triceratopses » 19 Feb 2016, 20:22

Buddhism wrote:Generally speaking, China inherited the Mahāyāna Buddhism that existed in India before the Tang Dynasty in its entirety, whereas, following this time period, Tibet took over the non-Buddhist form that Indian Buddhism evolved into. After it flourished in India, Mahāyāna Buddhism gradually assimilated a large number of cultural elements from Hinduism, and, through this phenomenon of transculturation, it evolved into Tantric Buddhism, which became the prevalent philosophy of the Indian Buddha Dharma. These facts are attested by the archeological records uncovered at the ruins of the Nalanda Monastery and are also well evidenced by the bibliographies of Masters Xuanzang and Yiching.


Really? Who were the final mahayana masters India?

Since Vajrayana Buddhism relies entirely on mahayana masters like dignaga, kamalashila, dharmakirti, asanga, chandrakirti, aryadeva, etcetc, it will be funny to see what you say.

And why has chinese buddhism been dead for the past 500yrs whereas Tibet has preserved and teaches the teachings of all these indian mahayana masters?
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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 02 Mar 2016, 22:56

triceratopses wrote:And why has chinese buddhism been dead for the past 500yrs whereas Tibet has preserved and teaches the teachings of all these indian mahayana masters?


Really? Prove your statement then!
The Bodhi Way thread that you're reading is precisely the essence of Chinese Buddhism.
Thank you.
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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 02 Mar 2016, 23:01

Within the thought of Tibetan Secret Mantra, Highest Yoga (Mahāyoga) is regarded as the most supreme and difficult path - the only one that allows practitioners to instantaneously bypass all intermediary grounds (even the intermediate states) and attain Buddhahood in one single lifetime. Secret Mantra proponents believe that those who are endowed with both merits and wisdom can rely on this path to attain the three exalted bodies and achieve Buddhahood. With respect to the cultivation of this path, the first and second initiations serve as the foundation for the latter third and fourth initiations. After fulfilling the merits of activities obtained from the third initiation, practitioners can proceed to the fourth initiation and thereby attain Buddhahood. In some instances, practitioners can directly cultivate name initiation by skipping over wisdom initiation, as long as they do not violate the principle of the three initiations.

I started to practice Secret Mantra in 1984 and spent an extensive amount of time absorbing the complete set of initiations and instructions. Thereafter, I set aside all worldly affairs and made my religious practice a full-time occupation. For eleven years, I read and reflected upon the scriptures by day - I managed to peruse more than half of the books found in the Buddhist library during that period - and practiced Secret Mantra at night. In those days, it was hard to get a hold of Secret Mantra information, and anyone who came upon such material treated it as a treasure. I remember that in order to obtain fragmentary pieces of tantric literature, I journeyed everywhere throughout the country to visit gurus and friends. In order to receive Secret Mantra instructions, I traveled back and forth between India and Nepal and met with elders and meritorious practitioners from various traditions. Over the years, I have been able to witness firsthand the broad expansion of Secret Mantra in Taiwan.

While I was able to personally experience most of the contents realized by my predecessors with respect to the various practice trails, I felt increasingly doubtful about this religion. Although the Secret Mantra doctrines are known to truly consist of specific instructions outside the scriptures, they contradict the World-Honored One’s teachings in the sūtras in all respects. The discrepancies are so significant that they cannot be negligently accounted for with designations such as “expedient or temporary teachings.” Worse yet, whenever I raised the ambiguities that I could not wrap my arms around to the renowned vajra gurus “endowed with knowledge and attainments,” they simply obfuscated the issue by talking nonsense. (Part 3)
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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 08 Mar 2016, 22:36

After the fading of the dzi bead hype in Taiwan came the obsession for the Iron Meteorite. Once, the owner of a Buddhist craft shop near the Bouddhanath stupa in Nepal unintentionally put an iron pestle at his doorway. As the pestle became heated by the sun, a Taiwanese traveler burnt his hand upon grabbing it and immediately declared that the iron rod was blessed by the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. He eventually paid a huge sum of money to purchase that “blessed” pestle. Thereafter, every owner of any type of Buddhist craft store in Nepal displayed iron products under the sun in the shop window at the doorway in order to attract Taiwanese pilgrims.

The generous donations from Taiwanese Buddhist disciples largely contributed to the construction and spiritual equipment of “Buddhist monasteries” in Tibet, India, and Nepal. In those foreign lands, I often came across pious Buddhists who had given up their family and career in order to follow a Secret Mantra guru. It is truly pitiful to see that, despite their devout minds and assiduous practice, all they are able to gain is deluded thoughts, which are nothing but arising and ceasing phenomena.

The cultivation of the four initiations pertaining to the class of Highest Yoga is entirely based on imaginative thinking and perceptive sensations carried out on the plane of one’s mental consciousness. Such practices require self-hypnosis and self-numbness, and sometimes even a psychic connection with ghosts and deities. As such, they are all of a deluded nature. As stated by Guru Norlha, “Being able to talk to a deity is only the first step of practice.” Secret Mantra practitioners are unaware that their supernatural powers have been conferred by external parties such as ghosts and deities, who in the worse cases will turn these followers into their subordinates. Moreover, no matter how solid the deity yoga accomplishments of those practitioners are, all it takes is one dose of anesthesia in the surgery room to obliterate their attainments. How could such a practice be called the yoga that permits the attainment of the deity’s form body?

The contents of the second and third initiations are in fact drawn from Hindu Tantrism and consist of the repeated cultivation of the wind-energies, channels, and drops pertaining to the subtle body. The so-called “accomplishment of the subtle body” has actually nothing to do with the Buddha Dharma, as it is based on a Hindu practice prescribed with the Buddhist term samādhi. Hindu followers also cultivate channels, wind-energies, drops, and sexual union, and many of them are also rumored to have attained the rainbow body.

Moreover, numerous renowned masters in the history of Secret Mantra have acted as lineage heirs of Hinduism. After the emergence of the hippy movement in the West, many books about the Hindu philosophy on the subtle body were translated into English, thus allowing us to easily verify that both the Tibetan and Hindu methods of the subtle body originate from the same source and feature identical steps of practice. The only difference is that the Tibetan version contains Buddhist jargon. However, most Secret Mantra practitioners are either ignorant of this fact or unwilling to admit it, given their reluctance to extensively learn about the Buddhist sūtras or even the worldly doctrines. Similarly, the five essential sets of tenets of the Bonpa religion, such as “Great Perfection,” “Ritual Dagger,” and so forth, are basically identical to the Secret Mantra teachings. Historically, Bonpa devotees and the excavators of the hidden Nyingma Treasure (terma) have always maintained intimate contacts and shared the same aspirations. Indeed, many “renowned gurus” hold the position of venerable master in both Buddhism and Bonpa. These facts make one wonder: What then sets the Buddha Dharma apart from those non-Buddhist beliefs? (Part 4)
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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 14 Mar 2016, 12:53

http://www.marianne.net/bouddhisme-impo ... 40553.html
Feb. 25, 2016

Buddhism: Deception of Sogyal Rinpoche
You cannot judge a book by its cover… this is especially true for Buddhists! Although reputed to propagate “peace and love,” this religion occasionally leads to serious cases of abuse and passes under silently with benevolence from the West due to an inadequate grasp of spirituality. This week in Marianne we are coming back to a telling example of Sogyal Rinpoche.

In 2011, Marianne published a report about the Buddhist retreat center Lérab Ling located in Hérault, which is an hour’s drive from Montpellier. On that occasion, we had observed that the principal owner of the house, a Tibetan Lama named Sogyal Rinpoche, has been carrying out strange practices repeatedly. Public humiliations of his fellow practitioners, sometimes accompanied by slaps or blows with his back-scratcher, were common.

Sogyal Rinpoche is also adept with racists humor and chant willingly “Heil Hitler” when he is speaking to a German disciple. This individual who stands alongside the Dalai Lama in several occasions was seen photographed with Carla Bruni, Alain Juppé, Rama Yade and also Bernard Kouchner (see picture below) in 2008 remained a key figure in Buddhism.

Five years after the first article in Marianne, two voices came out to denounce this deceiving fraudster. Marion Dapsance, a Ph. D. in anthropology of religions, published a book with Max Milo titled Les dévots du bouddhisme (Devotees of Buddhism). His eye-opening work summarizes a multi-year investigation of the behind-the-scene operations of Buddhism in France.

Olivier Raurich was a privileged witness of numerous instances described in Dapsance’s book. He was the translator for Sogyal Rinpoche and the ex-director of Rigpa France, an organization founded by “the master” whom Raurich had worked for twenty-eight years before walking out last summer. In the issue of this week’s Marianne, Raurich speaks for the first time about the shocking details.

“There have always been allegations about him abusing young women…”

Referring specifically to Sogyal Rinpoche, Raurich says that the most distinguishing characteristic of the master is the “huge gap” between “what he says and what he does”: “He loves luxury, fashion, violent American movies; ecological and social issues do not interest him at all. Besides, he is not in the least ‘embarrassed’ to praise himself immoderately in front of everybody. He stays in extravagant hotels, and uses the most expensive electronic devices. […]There have always been allegations about him abusing young women, not physical abuse, but through powerful psychological influence. Everything, however, was officially justified by the concept of ‘crazy wisdom’ according to which the masters can commit acts that are beyond the understanding for common mortal people.”

Moreover, Raurich explains his inability to comprehend the lack of concern on the part of the Dalai Lama, even though the Dalai Lama has made it clear that “abusive behavior of the masters must be publicly and explicitly exposed.” “My hypothesis is that he cannot discredit Sogyal Rinpoche publicly because it will undermine and have a negative effect on Tibetan Buddhism,” Raurich adds.

Related report by Marianne in 2011
http://www.marianne.net/Le-lama-Rinpoch ... 11593.html
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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 17 Mar 2016, 23:43

http://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/20 ... r-raurich/
Sogyal Rinpoche & Rigpa – An interview with the former director of Rigpa France Olivier Raurich

"Many people left. Rigpa paid a very expensive professional agency in Paris, specialising in crisis communication, to train a few spokesmen, including myself, to respond to the allegations of sexual harassment and financial abuse. We were advised not to answer questions, but rather to endlessly repeat certain key phrases – and to quote the Dalai Lama as much as possible for moral support.

"In the summer of 2014, during a retreat for the older students I made my decision to leave because I saw through him clearly — I saw his falsity. He demanded abundant offerings, specifically in cash, in front of 800 students. Each had to write their name on the envelope, so that he could check the amount."
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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 04 Jun 2016, 15:58

http://12160.info/video/michael-parenti ... cracked-up
Michael Parenti -Old Tibet / Dalai Lama is not all he's cracked up to be?

"His holiness would tell you that he must return to power for the good of his people. In this case 'good' may translate to his people living in squaller and his government condoning slavery."

"As this State Department internal memo reveals, the Dalai Lama at one time took $180,000 a year from the CIA for his living expenses. and $1.5 million a year from the spy agency to finance Tibetan guerrilla operations against the Chinese, which included, running a covert guerrilla training center in Colorado."

Just do some intensive research yourself:
Parenti received his PhD in political science from Yale University. He is the author of 23 books and many more articles. His works have been translated into at least eighteen languages. Parenti lectures frequently throughout the United States and abroad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parenti
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Re: Open Discussion on Tibetan Buddhism

Postby Buddhism » 10 Jun 2016, 00:34

I truly adore Prof. Lopez's writing skill, enjoying his sense of humor.

http://www.info-buddhism.com/Scientific ... Lopez.html
Tibetan Buddhism in the West

The Scientific Buddha
Donald S. Lopez, Jr.
University of Michigan

"Over the past two decades—at least before “mindfulness” came into vogue—the Buddhism in dialogue with science has largely been Tibetan Buddhism, a form of Buddhism that just a century ago was regarded as a form of superstition so degenerate that it did not deserve the name Buddhism, but was referred to instead as lamaism. A century later, the figure once known to Europeans as the Grand Lama of Lhasa, shrouded in mystery for so long, holds annual seminars with some of the leading scientists in the world.

"For this buddha was stripped of his many magical elements and his dharma was deracinated. The meditation that he taught was only something called “mindfulness,” and even then, a pale form of that practice. That is, he taught something that no other buddha in the past had taught: stress reduction.

"Previous buddhas had increased stress, explaining, “Monks, all is burning,” in the Fire Sermon; that we are trapped in a house on fire, in the Lotus Sutra; that we should regard the world as a prisoner regards his prison on the night before his execution. Previous buddhas sought to create stress, to destroy complacency, in order to lead us to a state of eternal stress reduction, that state of extinction called nirvana."
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