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More working days, less national holidays

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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby yyy » 25 May 2016, 11:56

Update: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/a ... 2003647056
As a returned proposal must be revised or withdrawn by the proposing agency within two months, the ministry’s abstention from submitting revisions to the amendment would result in its expiry on June 21 and the restoration of the national holidays that were previously canceled, Kuo said.

But...
Kuo said that the amendment would institute a 40-hour work week for the entire private sector without exceptions, adding that to synchronize the holiday schedule for private and public-sector employees, the amendment would authorize the Ministry of the Interior as the sole authority in setting national holidays.
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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby OrangeOrganics » 25 May 2016, 12:48

I read this in Chinese this morning. Taiwan's Laoban class make me physically sick and the labor office is a fraud. Saying that Taiwan will not be attractive for investment with so many rest days and threatening to leave Taiwan if workers are allowed to have more days off.

Rest results in productivity and creativity. If you want to be competitive, innovate! Dont keep costing down and punishing your employees for your shortsightedness and lack of business skills. The cost down, toy factory business approach has resulted in Taiwan's continual decline. Why do these idiots (both the labor office and the laoban class) want to double down on this.

Taiwan has a lots of smart people with good educations and ideas, but they are either suffocated and exhausted by the system or move abroad to greener pastures. Unless there is a change, how can there be a future for the island?
http://udn.com/news/story/9846/1715985- ... A%E8%B5%B0
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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby OrangeOrganics » 25 May 2016, 12:52

yyy wrote:Update: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/a ... 2003647056
As a returned proposal must be revised or withdrawn by the proposing agency within two months, the ministry’s abstention from submitting revisions to the amendment would result in its expiry on June 21 and the restoration of the national holidays that were previously canceled, Kuo said.

But...
Kuo said that the amendment would institute a 40-hour work week for the entire private sector without exceptions, adding that to synchronize the holiday schedule for private and public-sector employees, the amendment would authorize the Ministry of the Interior as the sole authority in setting national holidays.


Nobody will be working a 40 hr week apart from public workers. Everybody knows that. These men are slave drivers and the ministry of labor is corrupt and useless. They should be protecting the workers not badly performing companies!!!!
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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby yyy » 25 May 2016, 14:39

OrangeOrganics wrote:I read this in Chinese this morning. Taiwan's Laoban class make me physically sick and the labor office is a fraud. Saying that Taiwan will not be attractive for investment with so many rest days and threatening to leave Taiwan if workers are allowed to have more days off.

Rest results in productivity and creativity. If you want to be competitive, innovate! Dont keep costing down and punishing your employees for your shortsightedness and lack of business skills. The cost down, toy factory business approach has resulted in Taiwan's continual decline. Why do these idiots (both the labor office and the laoban class) want to double down on this.

Taiwan has a lots of smart people with good educations and ideas, but they are either suffocated and exhausted by the system or move abroad to greener pastures. Unless there is a change, how can there be a future for the island?
http://udn.com/news/story/9846/1715985- ... A%E8%B5%B0

It is somewhat amusing when they say giving workers more holidays than civil servants would make Taiwan the laughingstock of the world, and that raising the minimum wage by NT $6 would force supermarkets to raise prices... :roll:

(That's just the hourly wage being recalculated to keep it in sync with the monthly wage of $20,008, because the monthly wage now works out to slightly more per hour due to the 40 hour work week.)
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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby afterspivak » 25 May 2016, 21:42

Yeah those guys earning $20,008 per month are wrecking everything!

Wait, did I miss the point?

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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby headhonchoII » 25 May 2016, 23:42

Workers that earn more can spend more. Workers that have more time off can spend more and have more kids. This is just basic economics to a certain degree. Industries change and upgrade all over the world. If Taiwan wants to hitch itself to polluting bottom dollar manufacturing that's what it gets. If it hitches it's wagon to something of higher value the wealth can 'potentially' be shared around. Time to tell these old business groups to shut it.
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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby Icon » 01 Jun 2016, 10:00

Just a reminder: some of us have to work next Saturday June 4th. :cry:
Lo urgente no deja tiempo para lo importante. Mafalda.

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Eat the delicious food. Walk in the sunshine. Jump in the ocean. Say the truth that you’re carrying in your heart like hidden treasure. Be silly. Be kind. Be weird. There’s no time for anything else.
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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby jesus80 » 01 Jun 2016, 20:38

Icon wrote:Just a reminder: some of us have to work next Saturday June 4th. :cry:

Me. Fuck me.
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Re: More working days, less national holidays

Postby yyy » 22 Jun 2016, 14:17

Update:
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/06/21/2003649107 wrote:The Ministry of Labor yesterday announced that today it is to officially drop a proposed amendment to Article 23 of the Enforcement Rules of the Labor Standards Act (勞動基準法施行細則) and that the nation’s private-sector employees are to keep their 19 government-mandated national holidays after the restoration of holidays previously canceled by the proposal.

No compensation for holidays already missed this year.

MOL's announcement, in Chinese: http://www.mol.gov.tw/announcement/2099/25785/
MOL's reminder of what the Enforcement Rules are supposed to say (because both their database and the MOJ's database still show the Dec version), in Chinese: http://www.mol.gov.tw/announcement/2101/25811/
MOL's official proclamation (in the MOL's database already) quoting the EY on why the amendment was invalid, in Chinese: http://laws.mol.gov.tw/Chi/NewsContent.asp?msgid=4288

Nothing on the MOL's English website, as usual... :whistle:
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