finley wrote:Besides, while atheism does involve the rejection of a claim of God, it almost always involves the substitution of other beliefs - say, other explanations for observations about the existence of the universe and its properties.
It does not matter how many different ways you can butcher the meaning of the word, it simply does not mean what you say it does.
Atheism is the lack of belief in God or gods, the end.
There are atheists who believe in the big bang, and there are atheists who have never passed a science class.
There are atheists who are feminists, and atheists who are confused when they see a woman outside the kitchen.
There are atheists who vote democrat, and atheists who think Ted Cruz should be President.
There are atheists who donate to charity and feed the homeless, and atheists who rape and murder people.
I don't know why you think the word says anything more about a person other than whether they accept or reject God claims... We have plenty of words in the English language to attach in addition to atheism that would encompass what you want it to.
finley wrote:No, because you do have pretty solid proof that I don't have a fire-eating dragon in my hand, viz., my hand hasn't been incinerated and you can't hear anything flapping around
Why isn't your hand burned? ---> because it's just sitting there acting cute, not breathing fire yet
how come I can't hear it? ---> It's wings don't disrupt the surrounding air.
Why can't I see it? ---> It's invisible
When I waive my hand over yours, why can't I feel it? ---> It's phased out, unaffected by your merely human hand touching it.
But I've measured all the space and particles surrounding your hand and all are accounted for. There's no dragon there. ---> It exists outside of time and space
Sound familiar? We can keep backing up to the birth of the universe if you want. I still can't prove there's no dragon there, and I can't prove there is no God. But I have a brain, and I have 2000+ years of the smartest minds to have come and gone and not a single one of them has produced a shred of evidence for it.
The track record for trying to prove the existence of god is so poor, so statistically close to zero percent, that I'm totally comfortable saying in all practical sense of the words God doesn't exist (and you don't have a dragon in your hand). Maybe he does, who knows, but it requires a complete suspension of all logic and reason and rationality to believe he does.
A total lack of proof of a claim is also evidence. So yes, I have plenty.
As Matt Dillahunty said in that clip, there's more proof for Santa Claus than for God. At least with Santa, we can prove there are reindeers. We can prove that a well built craft can fly. We can prove there are fat men with white beards. We can prove that presents do appear on Christmas morning in many homes around the world. In some cases, we can even prove the milk and cookies that were there the night before are no longer there in the morning. A lot of that story is scientifically provable. A lot more of it than the Bible story.
But ok finley, I'll bite. You say morality doesn't come from evolution, it's not a function of a forwarding of the species, and science has nothing to say about it. So, where does morality come from?