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Overtime: how to calculate how much they have to pay you

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Re: Overtime: how to calculate how much they have to pay you

Postby yyy » 02 Apr 2016, 11:28

jesus80 wrote:For some strange reason I think that to use natural days is... bullshit. it's 2016, regular workers don't work on Saturdays or Sundays, to count them is only for making your wage lower in case they have to pay you overtime. :S

Using western logic, I think your point of view is very valid. However, the government's formula makes sense in the Taiwanese, or Chinese, context. The theory is that weekends and holidays are days on which you just happen to be "on leave", and this is reflected in the language they use to talk about the employer's obligation to pay -- not that the days are non-working days but that the employee is on "weekly leave" or "holiday leave". It's like when they talk about the nature of employment relationships, they emphasize that the employee is supposed to have "subordination of personality", "loyalty" towards the employer, and so on... a Confucian interpretation of human rights. :2cents:
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Re: Overtime: how to calculate how much they have to pay you

Postby Icon » 08 Apr 2016, 18:11

It is so weird... it is really two completely different kinds of thinking/points of view. The local authorities feel that they are paying for your "rest" time over the weekend and holidays, so as some kind of zero sum game, this money is somehow "taken" or "deducted' from them. Hence, the animosity towards this topic's Western view.
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Re: Overtime: how to calculate how much they have to pay you

Postby Abacus » 08 Apr 2016, 20:07

yyy wrote:
jesus80 wrote:For some strange reason I think that to use natural days is... bullshit. it's 2016, regular workers don't work on Saturdays or Sundays, to count them is only for making your wage lower in case they have to pay you overtime. :S

Using western logic, I think your point of view is very valid. However, the government's formula makes sense in the Taiwanese, or Chinese, context. The theory is that weekends and holidays are days on which you just happen to be "on leave", and this is reflected in the language they use to talk about the employer's obligation to pay -- not that the days are non-working days but that the employee is on "weekly leave" or "holiday leave". It's like when they talk about the nature of employment relationships, they emphasize that the employee is supposed to have "subordination of personality", "loyalty" towards the employer, and so on... a Confucian interpretation of human rights. :2cents:


That is ridiculous logic considering that the labor law specifically calls for a 40 hour work week with two days off per week.
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Re: Overtime: how to calculate how much they have to pay you

Postby headhonchoII » 09 Apr 2016, 18:23

yyy wrote:
jesus80 wrote:For some strange reason I think that to use natural days is... bullshit. it's 2016, regular workers don't work on Saturdays or Sundays, to count them is only for making your wage lower in case they have to pay you overtime. :S

Using western logic, I think your point of view is very valid. However, the government's formula makes sense in the Taiwanese, or Chinese, context. The theory is that weekends and holidays are days on which you just happen to be "on leave", and this is reflected in the language they use to talk about the employer's obligation to pay -- not that the days are non-working days but that the employee is on "weekly leave" or "holiday leave". It's like when they talk about the nature of employment relationships, they emphasize that the employee is supposed to have "subordination of personality", "loyalty" towards the employer, and so on... a Confucian interpretation of human rights. :2cents:


This is true, they often include all the weekends in the year in the total for 'holidays'. So they'll claim you get 120 holidays or whatever through the year with a straight face.
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