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Re: Brexit

Postby headhonchoII » 26 Jul 2016, 15:58

GuyInTaiwan wrote:You never shut up about the English. It's tedious. My grandfather was in Darwin during the war when it was bombed. Plenty of Australians were in death camps. I don't bang on and on and on and bloody on about the Japanese like you do about the English. I can't figure out who it is you hate though. On the one hand, you talk about the elite, when the elite are overwhelmingly pro-globalist just like you. Then you go on about all of the little Englanders, yet also claim at other times to be supporting the common man.

Maybe you should go back to copying your diatribes from yetanotheririshmanwithamassivechiponhisshoulderabouttheenglish.com or perhaps iclaimtobeagainsttheglobalelitebutsupporttheirentireagenda.com.


Blah blah blah..its all just background noise to me at this stage you contribute next to noting in these thread except for back biting and trolling. You just want to get kicks from trolling people. We get it.

Accusing me of racism is something coming from you.

You don't get it by this stage?

I don't like racism and xenophobia in any shape or form.
I am not anti English in the slightest, I am anti racist and anti xenophobic and pro people living with dignity and treating people with respect.

It's getting late time to head back and start counting those pots :2cents: of gold.
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Re: Brexit

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 26 Jul 2016, 16:05

headhonchoII wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:You never shut up about the English. It's tedious. My grandfather was in Darwin during the war when it was bombed. Plenty of Australians were in death camps. I don't bang on and on and on and bloody on about the Japanese like you do about the English. I can't figure out who it is you hate though. On the one hand, you talk about the elite, when the elite are overwhelmingly pro-globalist just like you. Then you go on about all of the little Englanders, yet also claim at other times to be supporting the common man.

Maybe you should go back to copying your diatribes from yetanotheririshmanwithamassivechiponhisshoulderabouttheenglish.com or perhaps iclaimtobeagainsttheglobalelitebutsupporttheirentireagenda.com.


Blah blah blah..its all just background noise to me at this stage you contribute next to noting in these thread except for back biting and trolling. You just want to get kicks from trolling people. We get it.

Accusing me of racism is something coming from you.

You don't get it by this stage?

I don't like racism and xenophobia in any shape or form.
I am not anti English in the slightest, I am anti racist and anti xenophobic and pro people living with dignity and treating people with respect.


You can dish it but you sure can't take it.
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Re: Brexit

Postby headhonchoII » 26 Jul 2016, 16:07

As I said you are not interested in brexit you are interested in trolling.
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Re: Brexit

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 26 Jul 2016, 16:16

headhonchoII wrote:Yea yes get with the program move on its all in the past just one month ago. Except it's not in the past its ongoing for the immigrants there. It's a HUGE issue for them as they cannot plan their lives and have certainty. I think it would change the whole conversation if The British government offered an explicit guarantee that at least
For the EU migrants who are in the country now to say..it's okay..you're welcome as part of our community. You are not going anywhere. That would send a message to the xenophobes. We are talking about 3 million people here many with deep roots in the UK by this stage.

I never said everybody was racist and xenophobic, most people are decent people and they have their own reasons to vote this way or that way, I pointed out though that relatively small portion of racists and xenophobia were certainly a significant factor in the referendum and the media pushed those angles helped along with polarizing and false statements from Leave campaign (immigrants taking our NHS..'swarms' of migrants...breaking posters of refugees
In other countries..it's all there google it).
It's also not me stating there's been a rise in racist incident but the British police and David Cameron and the Home office.

I was fascinated to read about Boston in Lincolnshire (in Sun article above). The area voted leave but the farming community is very heavily dependent on imported labour. What will the farmers do now? What will the local shopkeepers and pubs and villages do if the foreign community ups and leaves? What will be left there? I've seen what happens when villages lose thei population, local services like banks, post offices , shops, doctors, sports clubs..they close down and it's hard to come back from that.
Is this going to be an improvement for them?
Will the locals suddenly find their hidden career in leek farming that has evaded them for so long?
In the end the farmers are still going to need foreigners to do the work. Would it not be better
To have people integrated into the community over the years to sustain these small towns and villages?


Ermintrude explained this about a billion pages back. People want sovereignty. That means they want to feel in control of their destiny, including prioritising the familiar. Just because these things aren't (as) important to you does not mean that they're not important and legitimate concerns to others. Does that mean that they'll make the best economic decisions? Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure that there are lots and lots of countries out there that have gained their independence and it's been bad for them economically in the short term. Maybe it's even been bad for them economically in the long term (or not). That's not the point though. Why doesn't the whole world immediately make moves to resemble Changi Airport in Singapore? Maybe because they have other priorities. No one seems to have any problem with virtually any other country or group of people on the planet thinking like this, yet a whole lot of people are concern trolling us over the English.
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Re: Brexit

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 26 Jul 2016, 16:19

headhonchoII wrote:As I said you are not interested in brexit you are interested in trolling.
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I could accuse you of the same. Or, you could see that I've had a number of reasonable conversations with other people. Not everyone has to agree with you, you know. This is kind of the point that several of us have been making: that the more you and your ilk have said that some people don't hold legitimate positions, the more they've held a mirror right up at you and said, "right back at you". Hence the Brexit result. Keep sticking your fingers in your ears though, I hope that it will be just as successful as it has been recently.
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Re: Brexit

Postby headhonchoII » 26 Jul 2016, 17:23

Yes I don't need to agree with you, you are correct on that point. :)
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Re: Brexit

Postby Mucha Man » 26 Jul 2016, 20:22

GuyInTaiwan wrote:...Stop concern trolling everyone that you care about what happens in the best interests of the English when it's pretty clear you have an irrational hatred of them.


I'm going to use this exact line, with a few minor changes, next time you go on about the need for Islam to reform.
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

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Re: Brexit

Postby rowland » 26 Jul 2016, 20:54

We interrupt this flamewar for some breaking news...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/693193 ... ll-readers

A NEW Daily Express online poll has revealed that 98 per cent of respondents - 3,548 people - want the historic Brexit vote to be enacted now instead of Britain being embroiled in months or years of talks with Brussels bureaucrats.


But how?

Former Tory cabinet minister John Redwood has led a cross party group of MPs which has come up with a plan to get Britain out of the EU “in just a matter of weeks”.

The simple solution, also backed by Labour Leave, would be to trigger article 50 by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act and then informing the EU that the UK is no longer a member but intends to trade tariff free.

If the EU then decides to impose tariffs then Britain would respond but because the UK has a trade deficit with the EU of almost £24 billion a trade war would be more damaging to European countries especially Germany which could lose its biggest car market.
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Re: Brexit

Postby MikeN » 26 Jul 2016, 23:02

rowland wrote:We interrupt this flamewar for some breaking news...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/693193 ... ll-readers

A NEW Daily Express online poll has revealed that 98 per cent of respondents - 3,548 people - want the historic Brexit vote to be enacted now instead of Britain being embroiled in months or years of talks with Brussels bureaucrats.


98% of self-selected Express readers? Wow!
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Re: Brexit

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 27 Jul 2016, 07:23

Mucha Man wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:...Stop concern trolling everyone that you care about what happens in the best interests of the English when it's pretty clear you have an irrational hatred of them.


I'm going to use this exact line, with a few minor changes, next time you go on about the need for Islam to reform.


Because obviously the English were killing the Irish just last week...

Nice false equivalency.

I'm not concerned about what's in the best interests of Muslims. I'm concerned about what's in the best interests of the rest of the world, particularly the West, that has been suffering them for well over a millennium.

Since we're talking about your excuses for that religion, remember when Dylann Roof killed nine people and all the outrage, the flags and monuments coming down, the attack on an entire culture of millions, etc.? One man, nine deaths. What are we up to now with the religion of peace? The Forumosa hypocrites punditry are strangely mute on this in the main, or when they do comment, it's to make apologies and excuses.
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