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New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby afterspivak » 09 Jun 2016, 10:59

Remember folks that these fora (or forums if you prefer!) help many of us learn new things. I had no idea, for example, that public kindergartens in Taiwan were that difficult to enter. Now I know.

The learning process here extends beyond simply helping the OP--even as we do hope his kid does well.

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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby Tempo Gain » 09 Jun 2016, 12:45

afterspivak wrote:Remember folks that these fora (or forums if you prefer!) help many of us learn new things. I had no idea, for example, that public kindergartens in Taiwan were that difficult to enter. Now I know.

The learning process here extends beyond simply helping the OP--even as we do hope his kid does well.

Peace to all,
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:thumbsup: Well said Guy. That was news to me as well.
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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby Doraemonster » 09 Jun 2016, 14:10

It's the first time I've ever heard of this (thank you, Forumosa!) but I don't see why it should be acceptable to discriminate against a tax-paying resident (or permanent resident) with regard to kindergarten applications either. Is there any rational justification for this that I am missing or is it just another case of what I think it is?
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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby Liam Og » 09 Jun 2016, 21:57

Doraemonster wrote:thank you, Forumosa!


Indeed! If it wasn't for Forumosa I would be in China right now. It was reading through some old threads here that gave me the information that I needed to sort out the paperwork for me and my family to come to Taiwan. I also got some good advice from hsinhai78 when we were going through that. One of my selling points to win my wife over to the idea of life in Taiwan was the high quality, low cost and easy accessibility of public services. Other than this particular school hiccup I think I was right.

I knew kindergartens were harder to get into, but didn't imagine for a second that it was effectively impossible. The schools we tried to apply to are elementary schools enrolling kindergarten and beginning elementary students. The pecking order was based on disability, aboriginal status, economic disadvantage, age, and finally foreigners at the back of the cue with no reference to age.

As I said before I had no problem with not getting a place. But not getting a fair shot was disappointing, and also a little worrying with regards elementary school in future. I guess the issue will come up again if foreign nationals really are excluded in the current version of the enrollment procedure.
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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby headhonchoII » 09 Jun 2016, 22:50

The above is not entirely correct for kindergarten admission, there are some Other important factors. :2cents:
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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby Icon » 10 Jun 2016, 11:44

There is a video doing the rounds on FB about thus problem. It shows a single Mom running from side to side if the city, picking up her 3 kids in different areas because of the admissions problems and day care affordability. The video states 80 per cent of children cannot access public kindergarten in their area of residence.
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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby Abacus » 11 Jun 2016, 00:58

BillCollins wrote:
Doraemonster wrote:thank you, Forumosa!


Indeed! If it wasn't for Forumosa I would be in China right now. It was reading through some old threads here that gave me the information that I needed to sort out the paperwork for me and my family to come to Taiwan. I also got some good advice from hsinhai78 when we were going through that. One of my selling points to win my wife over to the idea of life in Taiwan was the high quality, low cost and easy accessibility of public services. Other than this particular school hiccup I think I was right.

I knew kindergartens were harder to get into, but didn't imagine for a second that it was effectively impossible. The schools we tried to apply to are elementary schools enrolling kindergarten and beginning elementary students. The pecking order was based on disability, aboriginal status, economic disadvantage, age, and finally foreigners at the back of the cue with no reference to age.

As I said before I had no problem with not getting a place. But not getting a fair shot was disappointing, and also a little worrying with regards elementary school in future. I guess the issue will come up again if foreign nationals really are excluded in the current version of the enrollment procedure.


Many Taiwanese also don't get a fair shot either. Icon's video source says that you are part of 80% of parents with kindergarten aged children.
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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby headhonchoII » 11 Jun 2016, 05:24

Whether it's 5% of 20% the chances are slim.

Who gets priority to kindergartens? Teachers kids and relatives. Kids from families with 3'children. Local residents with property in that area. Probably a couple of others factors. Most have to submit to a lottery and then the places are publically drawn. Luck of the draw in many cases.
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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby Icon » 24 Jun 2016, 10:50

The reason for the struggle to get into kindergarten is quite simple: in a public school, you pay 700 NTD or so a month for daily care. In a private kinder, the average monthly fee in Taipei is 20 thousand.

Hence, you have a captive market: people need someone to care for their kids while they work, and the kinder offers care from 8 to 5pm -average work day, with complains from bosses on why you leave early to pick up your kids and that gets women excluded from higher positions unles they have ama to hold the fort, which is why many women send the kids down South to be taken care of while the wives, sometimes even without hubby, work for the slavers in Taipei. In order to keep those higher paid positions in taipei, or at least to hold on to a job, people are willing to pay ... though the nose.

Hence, we also have a very low political incentive to change the issue, as the higher ups in the ducation related corridors of power of course have vested, eh, invested inetrests in keeping entrance rates in public kinders low. For them is just an easy issue of tweaking with teh education or municipal budget. Easy peachy.

And hence we get the low birth rates, since if you have two kids when it means 20k per head on childcare per month and you are earning 22k .. impossible. 30k? On two salaries, maybe. 40k and up? Plausible. But tight. Consessions are made. Living with the inlaws, for instance. Then add the load of retirement funds, lots of insurance, especially with these cancer rates, and upkeep of the previous generation...plus if they get into the real estate roller coaster, all is lost. And that is whow we have an economy that is going down the toilet while teh numbers show lost of money standing idle and lots of wealth... just not out there circulating, but bloating like cancer.
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Re: New regulations mean foreigners are excluded from public schools in Taiwan

Postby agneslow » 12 Jul 2016, 05:41

Liam Og wrote:
Icon wrote: please help us establish a precedent for future reference.


Guess we will just wait and see if there actually are any spaces left in any public schools next week, and if there is we will apply and see if we get another round of foreigner crap. If we do Ill probably have a rant and call it a day. The game isn't worth the candle if you have to fight for a school to take your child. Because after you 'win' you then hand your child into the care of a school that you have just alienated. I'd rather have a clear start where we aren't starting out as those troublesome outsiders on the very first day.



Hi Liam,

We will be in Taipei in Nov with one of our children at the age to start elementary school so I am very interested to hear what happened - did you finally manage to register your child?

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