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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby Winston Smith » 20 Jul 2016, 17:37

GuyInTaiwan wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:Are you aware of the concept of the House of War?


I'm guessing that's the neojihadi version of The Project for a New American Century.


Does the Project for a New American Century also go back to the eighth century? Would they have been referring to the ninth century as a new American century?


There wasn't an Al Qaeda or ISIL in the eighth or ninth centuries either and it wasn't that long ago that a westerner could live in any Middle Eastern country in safety. For some reason, just about the time the communist bogeyman imploded the mujahadeen went from being freedom fighters to bogeymen and the military-industrial messiah complex decided to stop saving SE Asia and decided to start saving the Middle East instead. It's been downhill ever since.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 20 Jul 2016, 17:45

Winston Smith wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:Are you aware of the concept of the House of War?


I'm guessing that's the neojihadi version of The Project for a New American Century.


Does the Project for a New American Century also go back to the eighth century? Would they have been referring to the ninth century as a new American century?


There wasn't an Al Qaeda or ISIL in the eighth or ninth centuries either and it wasn't that long ago that a westerner could live in any Middle Eastern country in safety. For some reason, just about the time the communist bogeyman imploded the mujahadeen went from being freedom fighters to bogeymen and the military-industrial messiah complex decided to stop saving SE Asia and decided to start saving the Middle East instead. It's been downhill ever since.


Abbasid Caliphate

That religion has thirteen centuries of history (and conquest) prior to the end of the Cold War.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby Winston Smith » 20 Jul 2016, 19:04

GuyInTaiwan wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:Are you aware of the concept of the House of War?


I'm guessing that's the neojihadi version of The Project for a New American Century.


Does the Project for a New American Century also go back to the eighth century? Would they have been referring to the ninth century as a new American century?


There wasn't an Al Qaeda or ISIL in the eighth or ninth centuries either and it wasn't that long ago that a westerner could live in any Middle Eastern country in safety. For some reason, just about the time the communist bogeyman imploded the mujahadeen went from being freedom fighters to bogeymen and the military-industrial messiah complex decided to stop saving SE Asia and decided to start saving the Middle East instead. It's been downhill ever since.


Abbasid Caliphate

That religion has thirteen centuries of history (and conquest) prior to the end of the Cold War.


And yet managed to sit out two world wars, the attempted genocide of the Jewish people and the invention pf weapons of mass destruction.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 20 Jul 2016, 19:19

Managed to sit out two world wars? Not sure if serious.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby Winston Smith » 21 Jul 2016, 06:49

Connecting the dots. The MIMC bombs another village to save it. ISIL gains more recruits. Europe gets more truck, axe, bomb terrorism.

IRBIL, Iraq — Scores of civilians died Tuesday in airstrikes allegedly carried out by U.S. warplanes on a Syrian village in an area that is the target of a U.S.-backed offensive, according to human rights groups and opposition activists from the area.

The U.S. military said it is investigating claims that American airstrikes were responsible for the deaths of as many as 160 civilians early Tuesday in Tokhar, 10 miles from the northern town of Manbij.


There are really only two choices here. Take Rowland's boots on the ground advice and kill everything that moves in the Middle East and launch a pogrom against Muslims already in the west, or apply the lesson of Viet Nam and holster the military-industrial messiah complex and go home.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby BrentGolf » 21 Jul 2016, 16:08

Winston Smith wrote:There are really only two choices here. Take Rowland's boots on the ground advice and kill everything that moves in the Middle East and launch a pogrom against Muslims already in the west, or apply the lesson of Viet Nam and holster the military-industrial messiah complex and go home.


There is a third choice, and that is to understand and accept that Islam didn't start in 1979 and neither did the quest for world conquest through bloodshed. It's quite obvious to anybody breathing that Western imperialism is certainly responsible for it's fair share of the problems we are seeing in the last several decades, but it's ignorant of actual history to think the problem began in the last century. Killing innocent people in the name of the prophet was going on for 1000 years before America was even a country. Seems pretty absurd to just chalk it all up to US foreign policy in the 20th century every time the topic is brought up. Yes obviously the west did some really awful things, but let's try to have some perspective of history that extends beyond our own life time. Clearly there needs to be a reformation within the faith much like there was in Christianity and Judaism, and knee jerk blame America doesn't seem overly helpful in pushing that process forward.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby fred smith » 21 Jul 2016, 16:33

There is a third choice, and that is to understand and accept that Islam didn't start in 1979 and neither did the quest for world conquest through bloodshed. It's quite obvious to anybody breathing that Western imperialism is certainly responsible for it's fair share of the problems we are seeing in the last several decades, but it's ignorant of actual history to think the problem began in the last century. Killing innocent people in the name of the prophet was going on for 1000 years before America was even a country. Seems pretty absurd to just chalk it all up to US foreign policy in the 20th century every time the topic is brought up. Yes obviously the west did some really awful things, but let's try to have some perspective of history that extends beyond our own life time. Clearly there needs to be a reformation within the faith much like there was in Christianity and Judaism, and knee jerk blame America doesn't seem overly helpful in pushing that process forward.


Like so many other blood-thirsty revolutions and movements, it fast loses its popularity when the mobs are done killing and stealing from the Jews then Christians then Hindus then minority sects then the Shias and then collapse when they turn on their own Sunni groups for smoking, or listening to music or shaving their beards or not covering properly or not (fill in the blank). This is why the intensity of religious further long died away in Iran and does so quickly whenever the Taliban or ISIS or Daesh take over and actually administer territory themselves.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby Winston Smith » 21 Jul 2016, 17:45

BrentGolf wrote:
Winston Smith wrote:There are really only two choices here. Take Rowland's boots on the ground advice and kill everything that moves in the Middle East and launch a pogrom against Muslims already in the west, or apply the lesson of Viet Nam and holster the military-industrial messiah complex and go home.


There is a third choice, and that is to understand and accept that Islam didn't start in 1979 and neither did the quest for world conquest through bloodshed. It's quite obvious to anybody breathing that Western imperialism is certainly responsible for it's fair share of the problems we are seeing in the last several decades, but it's ignorant of actual history to think the problem began in the last century. Killing innocent people in the name of the prophet was going on for 1000 years before America was even a country. Seems pretty absurd to just chalk it all up to US foreign policy in the 20th century every time the topic is brought up. Yes obviously the west did some really awful things, but let's try to have some perspective of history that extends beyond our own life time. Clearly there needs to be a reformation within the faith much like there was in Christianity and Judaism, and knee jerk blame America doesn't seem overly helpful in pushing that process forward.


If you're really convinced Muslims are plotting to conquer Canada and forcibly convert you to Islam then it's only a matter of time before the light goes on and you realize half measures are useless and Rowland's total war doctrine is the only choice.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby MikeN » 21 Jul 2016, 20:56

GuyInTaiwan wrote:
Abbasid Caliphate

That religion has thirteen centuries of history (and conquest) prior to the end of the Cold War.


Whereas Christianity had sixteen- and we did it bigger and badder. And then we birthed Nazism and Communism.

Killing innocent people in the name of the prophet was going on for 1000 years before America was even a country


1400 years if you call Jesus a prophet.
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Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby Dog's_Breakfast » 21 Jul 2016, 21:32

It looks like the debate over Islam vs the West is going off into the territory of Islamic-Christian conflicts of centuries past (ie Ottoman empire, the Crusades, Mohammed's misdeeds, what is says in the Koran, etc). In fact, I think the West's current problems with Islam have little to do with this ancient history.

The source of the brutal rising tide of Islamic fundamentalism (and terrorism) is, in my opinion, primarily because of Saudi Arabia's 20th-century obtained oil wealth, which has been used to generously fund madrassahs to spread the evil cult of Wahabism. A good article (written by a Muslim) a couple of years ago explains it well:

West blinks at Wahhabism's dark side
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NJ12Ak01.html

Interesting to read the comments below the article too.
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