Click here to go to our new forums at http://tw.forumosa.com
If you are a Forumosan Regular, when you log in for the FIRST TIME, you must RESET your password by using the Password Recovery system.

Usernames on the new forums must not contain any SPACES and must end with LETTER or a NUMBER; if yours does, you will be prompted to change your Username
Contact us at admin(at)forumosa(dot)com or @forumosa on Twitter or on our Facebook Page if you have any questions or problems logging back in

France needs more truck control.

IP is the place for boisterous political discussion, but please remember, the Rules still apply, especially with regards to Personal Attacks. These and other inappropriate posts will be removed without notification.

Moderator: Mick

Forum rules
IP is the place for boisterous political discussion, but please remember, the Rules still apply, especially with regards to Personal Attacks. These and other inappropriate posts will be removed without notification.

Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby Winston Smith » 22 Jul 2016, 07:15

Dog's_Breakfast wrote:It looks like the debate over Islam vs the West is going off into the territory of Islamic-Christian conflicts of centuries past (ie Ottoman empire, the Crusades, Mohammed's misdeeds, what is says in the Koran, etc). In fact, I think the West's current problems with Islam have little to do with this ancient history.

The source of the brutal rising tide of Islamic fundamentalism (and terrorism) is, in my opinion, primarily because of Saudi Arabia's 20th-century obtained oil wealth, which has been used to generously fund madrassahs to spread the evil cult of Wahabism. A good article (written by a Muslim) a couple of years ago explains it well:

West blinks at Wahhabism's dark side
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NJ12Ak01.html

Interesting to read the comments below the article too.


Time for a brief history lesson:

Thirty-plus years ago the same debate was taking place over communism. Same rhetoric, same hyperbole about world domination, communist takeovers, better dead than red, facing the threat in distant jungles rather than on the streets of San Francisco . . . and same mistakes. Europe was riven with Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction terrorism and the U.S. with Weather Underground Organization acts of terror. Instead of neoconservatism the U.S. had McCarthyism. Saudi money was KGB money. Madrassahs were university liberal arts graduate departments. Turns out the ultimate solution was to take the high road to the high moral ground of democracy, human rights and turning swords into ploughshares rather than the low road of bombs. collateral damage, torture and endless war. As a result communism's appeal withered, general sanity prevailed . . . and the ever-resilient military-industrial messiah complex was forced to hunt for another bogeyman to justify its existence.

Not to say that there isn't a tipping point, a point of no return. For example, if the U.S. had decided to "stay the course" in Viet Nam in 1973 rather than holster its messiah complex and go home that eventually so much blood would have been shed, so much collateral damaged and so many disaffected youth irretrievably radicalized that the war on communism would have taken on a life of its own and no amount of holstering and turning swords into ploughshares would have staved off Rowland's clash of civilizations.
Totalitarianism: a political system in which the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.
Winston Smith
Wild Chicken Bus Driver (yě jī chē sī jī)
Wild Chicken Bus Driver (yě jī chē sī jī)
 
Posts: 1930
Joined: 24 Sep 2011, 09:44
Location: Room 101



Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby rowland » 22 Jul 2016, 11:19

Winston Smith wrote:Not to say that there isn't a tipping point, a point of no return. For example, if the U.S. had decided to "stay the course" in Viet Nam in 1973 rather than holster its messiah complex and go home that eventually so much blood would have been shed, so much collateral damaged and so many disaffected youth irretrievably radicalized that the war on communism would have taken on a life of its own and no amount of holstering and turning swords into ploughshares would have staved off Rowland's clash of civilizations.


Are you suggesting that there isn't a clash of civilizations going on right now?

The Soviets were less fanatical than the group we're facing now, though no less cynical. Reagan starved their system to death, and that gave us a hiatus between cold wars. But Reagan is gone, and Yeltsin is gone, and a new cold war is brewing while we're dealing with the suicide bombers from the murderously insane parts of the world.

There's been a leadership vacuum in the west for several decades now, and the price is escalating. I blame the cult of transnational progressivism. That way of thinking is the foreign policy aspect of moral narcissism, which is the conscience in a state of decadence.

Yes, the commies liked to call us decadent, and they were wrong. But now we actually are decadent. There is a price to pay, and we've only begun to pay it.
Big government is for those who can't handle freedom. Political correctness is for those who can't handle reality.

Gun-free zones are where the gun violence happens. Ban gun-free zones before many more get killed. Also, gun violence in Europe is as bad as in US, and getting worse.

The most bigoted people in the world insist that they are the most open-minded, the cruelest people in the world insist that they are the most compassionate, and the most illogical insist that they are the most logical.

Just because Al Gore says there's a planetary emergency doesn't mean there's a planetary emergency. And just because somebody says it's science doesn't mean it's science.
User avatar
rowland
Second Landlord (èr fáng dōng)
Second Landlord (èr fáng dōng)
 
Posts: 2510
{ AUTHOR_TOPIC }
Joined: 07 Mar 2012, 04:37
Location: Taipei



Re: France needs less collateral damage

Postby andyj » 22 Jul 2016, 17:58

GuyInTaiwan wrote:Why do people have such problems with accepting people's/ideologies' statements of intention at face value?

Cos it's politically incorrect.
andyj
English Teacher with Headband (bǎng tóujīn de Yīngwén lǎoshī)
English Teacher with Headband (bǎng tóujīn de Yīngwén lǎoshī)
 
Posts: 172
Joined: 27 Feb 2014, 13:43
In Taiwan since: 10 Jan 2010



Re: France needs less collateral damage

Postby Mucha Man » 22 Jul 2016, 18:18

andyj wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:Why do people have such problems with accepting people's/ideologies' statements of intention at face value?

Cos it's politically incorrect.


And that means what? Who do you know, I don't mean who do you suspect or who do you accuse, but who do you know, who tells you unequivocally that they censor themselves or form opinions because of political correctness?
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

https://www.facebook.com/taiwantemples
Mucha Man
Guan Yin (Guānyīn)
 
Posts: 19980
Joined: 01 Nov 2001, 17:01
Location: Mucha, of course



Re: France needs less collateral damage

Postby BrentGolf » 23 Jul 2016, 14:43

Mucha Man wrote:
andyj wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:Why do people have such problems with accepting people's/ideologies' statements of intention at face value?

Cos it's politically incorrect.


And that means what? Who do you know, I don't mean who do you suspect or who do you accuse, but who do you know, who tells you unequivocally that they censor themselves or form opinions because of political correctness?



Political correctness is just the broad term that describes what's happening, but whatever terminology you assign to it it's a valid point. This is why the term regressive liberal is becoming more popular. It does help describe this fairly new phenomenon of making excuses and caveats for peoples behavior and stated intentions when they themselves are not asking for or requiring any.
Market leading investment returns with unparalleled risk management. Aspiring to help people rid themselves of the burdens of the financial industry and get on the right track to financial freedom.

http://www.VolatilityTradingStrategies.com

http://www.ProsperitasAssetManagement.com

http://www.BrentGolf.com
BrentGolf
Immune to Breathalizers (jiǔ cèce bù chūlái)
Immune to Breathalizers (jiǔ cèce bù chūlái)
 
Posts: 2011
Joined: 10 Dec 2010, 18:20
Location: Taipei, Taiwan



Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby tommy525 » 23 Jul 2016, 23:13

The rise of the single terrorist . Able to kill many either with trucks or with guns. WE just had the 18 year old Iranian who shot dead CHILDREN at a MCdONALDS's and after killing 8 people in total , shot himself dead. Isis is calling everyone to have their very own personal attack on the infidels. And it's working among those who are filled with hatred.

Gun control would help but yes, truck control is now needed. So is control on any other heavy vehicle capable of great destruction.
User avatar
tommy525
Guan Yin (Guānyīn)
 
Posts: 19799
Joined: 14 Sep 2006, 17:25
Location: East Bay, CALIF



Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby Gain » 24 Jul 2016, 00:27

tommy525 wrote:The rise of the single terrorist . Able to kill many either with trucks or with guns. WE just had the 18 year old Iranian who shot dead CHILDREN at a MCdONALDS's and after killing 8 people in total , shot himself dead. Isis is calling everyone to have their very own personal attack on the infidels. And it's working among those who are filled with hatred.

Gun control would help but yes, truck control is now needed. So is control on any other heavy vehicle capable of great destruction.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germa ... SKCN1021YZ
Munich gunman fixated on mass killing, had no Islamist ties

A German-Iranian teenager who shot dead nine people in Munich was a deranged lone gunman obsessed with mass killings who drew no inspiration from Islamist militancy, police said on Saturday.

The 18-year-old, born and raised locally, opened fire near a busy shopping mall on Friday evening, triggering a lockdown in the Bavarian state capital.

Seven of his victims were themselves teenagers, who police said he may have lured to their deaths via a hacked Facebook account on what was the fifth anniversary of twin attacks by Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik that killed 77 people.

For your information, Anders Breivik is a Christian extremist.
User avatar
Gain
Scooter Commuter (qí jī chē shàng xià bān)
Scooter Commuter (qí jī chē shàng xià bān)
 
Posts: 698
Joined: 13 Sep 2014, 02:53
Location: Taichung/Taipei



Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby tommy525 » 24 Jul 2016, 03:07

User avatar
tommy525
Guan Yin (Guānyīn)
 
Posts: 19799
Joined: 14 Sep 2006, 17:25
Location: East Bay, CALIF



Re: France needs less collateral damage

Postby Mucha Man » 24 Jul 2016, 10:59

BrentGolf wrote:
Mucha Man wrote:
andyj wrote:
GuyInTaiwan wrote:Why do people have such problems with accepting people's/ideologies' statements of intention at face value?

Cos it's politically incorrect.


And that means what? Who do you know, I don't mean who do you suspect or who do you accuse, but who do you know, who tells you unequivocally that they censor themselves or form opinions because of political correctness?



Political correctness is just the broad term that describes what's happening, but whatever terminology you assign to it it's a valid point. This is why the term regressive liberal is becoming more popular. It does help describe this fairly new phenomenon of making excuses and caveats for peoples behavior and stated intentions when they themselves are not asking for or requiring any.


It's not a valid point in the least. People on these boards have used PC as a broad swipe at everything from rape awareness campaigns to universal health care. Similarly I see the term regressive liberal used against people you merely disagree with. I see a serious problem with censorship and the suppression of alternate pov but it's so heavily coming from the right that you concern for left self censorship is wildly misplaced imho. Let's consider that regressive liberals have had no effect on stopping wars against the Middle East, no effect on policy toward Iran, whereas the right has been very successful in making any criticism of Israel taboo and personally risky. Not to pick on Israel but the Trudeau's admin contination of Harper era policy of zero tolerance for criticism of a country, not a people but a country, is really pissing me off.

Anyway, it may frustrate you that some liberals won't see radical Islam as a problem (I do for what it's worth) but they are having no effect on policy. They are certainly not hamstringing any government in dealing with the problem as aggressively as they would like.
“Everywhere else in the world is also really old” said Prof. Liu, a renowned historian at Beijing University. “We always learn that China has 5000 years of cultural heritage, and that therefore we are very special. It appears that other places also have some of this heritage stuff. And are also old. Like, really old.”

https://www.facebook.com/taiwantemples
Mucha Man
Guan Yin (Guānyīn)
 
Posts: 19980
Joined: 01 Nov 2001, 17:01
Location: Mucha, of course



Re: France needs more truck control.

Postby hsinhai78 » 24 Jul 2016, 12:42

tommy525 wrote:He reportedly yell allahu akbar so that may be an incorrect report then

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1489631/w ... ng-centre/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... n-outside/


You nowadays do not actually need to complete training at some dusty camp in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Syria to be part of a terrorist organisation. The flip-side of the internet and social media particularly is that people can connect and collaborate without ever meeting in person. Some Iranian kid in Germany might watch an ISIS video online and that is all it takes. :2cents:
User avatar
hsinhai78
Gravel Truck Driver (suìshí chē sījī)
Gravel Truck Driver (suìshí chē sījī)
 
Posts: 1384
Joined: 14 Apr 2012, 22:27
In Taiwan since: 01 Aug 2009



FRIENDLY REMINDER
   Please remember that Forumosa is not responsible for the content that appears on the other side of links that Forumosans post on our forums. As a discussion website, we encourage open and frank debate. We have learned that the most effective way to address questionable claims or accusations on Forumosa is by engaging in a sincere and constructive conversation. To make this website work, we must all feel safe in expressing our opinions, this also means backing up any claims with hard facts, including links to other websites.
   Please also remember that one should not believe everything one reads on the Internet, particularly from websites whose content cannot be easily verified or substantiated. Use your common sense and do not hesitate to ask for proof.
PreviousNext




Return to International Politics



Who is online

Forumosans browsing this forum: No Forumosans and 0 guests

cron