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Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby lostinasia » 16 Jul 2016, 08:10

As I write this no one seems to have a clue what's going to happen, but part of the Turkish military is attempting to overthrow President Erdogan.

Most of the news right now is about what is or isn't happening. I'm also curious where this came from - between Daesh/ISIS, the Kurds, Syria, and Erdogan's increasing authoritarianism, the situation in Turkey was already insanely complicated. Why now?

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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby nonredneck » 16 Jul 2016, 08:47

Maybe the military lost faith in him after the Islamic State attacked the airport.
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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby rowland » 17 Jul 2016, 20:25

Supposedly the military are all about upholding the Constitution. Definitely, Erdogan is not.

Turkey is one of those cases of a democracy committing suicide by electing a lawless leader. Military rule does not exactly solve the problem, but it does at least bring the messy process to a close. Since they've failed, it's back to the previously scheduled long goodbye.

Islamist fanatics can't have nice things.

The only answer I see is a revolution to restore democracy after it's already completely blotted out. And I don't see that happening any time soon. The culture is all wrong. They're drunk on fanaticism, and they need to hit bottom before they can come around.
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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby agentsmith » 18 Jul 2016, 04:29

Too premature to point a finger at yet. What we do know is the leaders of the coup spent time on us bases and in Israel. What is clear is a rag tag army mosly consisting of wet behind the ears 20 yr olds who claim they were just following orders did not have a hoping he'll in taking over the public library never mind a country. Some feel this was move aided by NATO for Erdogan to consolidate more control over the country.
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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby headhonchoII » 18 Jul 2016, 05:20

Erdogans has form in using previous crises to his advantage, most notably the mysterious bombings in Istanbul which kicked off repression of opposition as they were gaining ground.
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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby agentsmith » 18 Jul 2016, 06:42

Interesting read: http://mouqawamahmusic.net/turkey-coup- ... en-bigger/

Not rockin’ with the coup in Turkey even a lil’ bit. Yes, no doubt that Recep Tayyip Erdogan is a certified egomaniacal monster who has had a major hand in murdering hundreds of thousands of Syrians and Iraqis, who backs the Saudi war on Yemen, who is trying to replace Turkish Islam with Wahhabism, who has all but eliminated freedom of the press, who has falsely imprisoned journalists, who has betrayed the Palestinian cause too many times to count, rigged elections and maintained a regime of corruption with numerous members of his kin that rivals any dictatorship in history. But none of that means the Turkish Armed Forces are paragons of resistance and revolution. Quite to the contrary.
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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 18 Jul 2016, 07:24

Something is fishy as hell about this attempted coup. Who holds a coup when the president is on vacation and not easily found? Or doesn't immediately seize key buildings? Or doesn't shut down state broadcasters and other media? Who doesn't proclaim a new leader or group thereof immediately? Likewise, half the military forces (who were busy going to irrelevant places) looked more confused and half-hearted than anything.

Either the people who did this were unbelievably stupid and incompetent or this was actually orchestrated by Erdogan to consolidate power.

Beyond this, a couple of things interest me. Firstly, because Erdogan will capitalise on this, it really means the death of the Middle Eastern secular democracy. Surrounding nations have fallen or been pushed one by one, but this is particularly symbolic since Ataturk was ahead of his time; now his vision and legacy both lie in tatters.

Secondly, although it could be argued that the West previously played a cynical game in interacting with Middle Eastern dictators, we're entering a new phase. It might be one thing to have to deal with the aftermath of the Arab Spring, but this is something else. Turkey has the second largest forces in NATO and it has aspirations of being in the EU. Both NATO and the EU are going to have to deal with an openly and increasingly Islamist state within their ranks or on their borders. This is not some faraway thing now. In many ways, it's actually symbolic of a bigger change in general, of a clash of civilisations and of the continued crumbling of the post-WW2, liberal democratic world order.

Still, I guess at least our enemies will be more out in the open now and there will be fewer pretenses to the contrary.
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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby nonredneck » 21 Jul 2016, 11:57

Let's see, Erdogan has banned academics from leaving Turkey and issued a three month state of emergency, which seems to be a cover to "cleanse" the military and government of his opponents.

https://www.rt.com/news/352218-turkey-a ... an-travel/
https://www.rt.com/news/352361-turkey-s ... y-erdogan/
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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby bob_honest » 22 Jul 2016, 10:48

Stadium. Full of dissidents. People disappearing. Soon?
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Re: Coup attempt in Turkey

Postby rowland » 25 Jul 2016, 08:26

Something else to worry about...

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/a ... s-air-base

The Incirlik Air Force Base in Turkey has some other American assets: several dozen B61 thermonuclear warheads.


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