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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Icon » 21 Jul 2016, 15:15

tommy525 wrote:Yes Icon thats what I meant, those old Kuo kwang buses were MCI, made in USA buses. And i rode them and they had openable windows. What do they use now?

Some wild chicken buses in those days were made in europe Benz 0303 and Volvo and Scania. Later they started using imported chassis and building bus bodies in Taiwan. Which is fine. Let's just NOT forget emergency escapes on all sides so that a burning bus can be evacuated quickly. Bus fires are not uncommon. Mostly related to engines catching on fire. But now apparently other things like entertainment systems can overheat and catch on fire.
Have they found out what caused this blaze?


Something like this:

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Windows are sealed. But they have the system that they can be pushed out.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby hsinhai78 » 21 Jul 2016, 15:20

abovik wrote:
Aikaili wrote:I noticed that my colleagues in the office haven't spoken about this tragedy like they usually do about other news. It seems strangely callous to me, and I can't help but wonder if it was because it was a Chinese tour group and almost like it was not on Taiwanese soil. I really don't understand why people aren't more outraged about safety conditions on buses especially since buses are a major part of our transportation system here. Perhaps they are and I have just missed it? I do see the reporting on the local news. I would like to hear about the safety regulations in place, and what will be done to enforce them.


Nah, it's like why they don't give a damn regarding drunk driving. We had two within this past two weeks. If it doesn't hurt their individual benefits/rights personally, be assured these keep repeating. Why this country doesn't improve, some people mentioned, is the mindset; not the government, the media, China, 22K. And I totally agree, seeing how idiotic things like these keep repeating.


Exactly. Where's the recommend button?! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Charlie Jack » 21 Jul 2016, 15:55

yuli wrote:
Charlie Jack wrote:maybe I got it completely wrong

You got it right, I'd say... :)


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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby *monkey* » 21 Jul 2016, 16:36

Icon wrote:
Windows are sealed. But they have the system that they can be pushed out.


Would be a lot more logical if the doors had those kick-out panels. Would be easy and cheap to re-fit the buses, too.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Icon » 21 Jul 2016, 16:53

*monkey* wrote:
Icon wrote:
Windows are sealed. But they have the system that they can be pushed out.


Would be a lot more logical if the doors had those kick-out panels. Would be easy and cheap to re-fit the buses, too.


Actually, they showed other model buses. Opening the emergency exit should be easy. As said, in some buses, too easy.

This one might have had a mechanism encased in a separate side, which had to be released before opening the door, hence, in panic/unfamiliar/something else, they couldn't open it.

And in thsi case, both left side doors were simply physically impossible to use. One on fire, other destroyed.


*Note: from the latest info and a few live TV goofs when trying to demostrate the mechanism of the emergency exists, it seems opening those doors ain't easy and that could have cost the victims' lives.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby tommy525 » 21 Jul 2016, 20:51

That pic you showed looked like an MCI (made in usa greyhound type) bus. And they looked like sealed windows but they are hinged on top and a big red handle will unlock them and you can easily move them outwards for easy escape.

An alarm goes off if they are opened so the driver knows if they are opened. Which is fine in a fire/emergency.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Icon » 21 Jul 2016, 21:35

2 big questions in tonight's talk shows:
1. Why did the fire spread so fast? 1.4 km, less than a minute.
2. Was the exit door locked? How about the emergency windows? Where are the hammers?
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Ricarte » 22 Jul 2016, 10:46

From Shanghaiist:
A preliminary investigation indicates that the emergency exit might have been locked due to anti-theft modifications. It prevents the door from being opened from either side unless it is manually disabled from inside the bus.
Because tourist bus drivers have to cover the loss for passengers' belongings, theft cases in the past have prompted many bus owners to modify the emergency exits against regulations.


In case you have to face such situation (I really hope you don't!), here is the lock:
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Also, EBC News asked a manager of a tour bus agency to test an emergency door of the same model. The manager took 20 seconds to successfully open the door, making it very questionable that the door would have been opened in an emergency situation, especially with passengers' vision blurred by smoke.



According to Apple Daily over 90% of tour buses in Taiwan have such anti-theft bolts installed. :noway:
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby schwarzwald » 22 Jul 2016, 11:54

Ricarte wrote:From Shanghaiist:
A preliminary investigation indicates that the emergency exit might have been locked due to anti-theft modifications. It prevents the door from being opened from either side unless it is manually disabled from inside the bus.
Because tourist bus drivers have to cover the loss for passengers' belongings, theft cases in the past have prompted many bus owners to modify the emergency exits against regulations.


Also, EBC News asked a manager of a tour bus agency to test an emergency door of the same model. The manager took 20 seconds to successfully open the door, making it very questionable that the door would have been opened in an emergency situation, especially with passengers' vision blurred by smoke.

According to Apple Daily over 90% of tour buses in Taiwan have such anti-theft bolts installed. :noway:


Sure sounds like a death trap.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Icon » 22 Jul 2016, 12:13

Indeed. Maybe they might -woulda, coulda- have figured out how to remove the bolt if they had had time to read the instructions, but in the chaos, the fear, the heavy smoke and the lack of time... that was not possible.

They are still trying to figure out how the heck the bus caught fire so devastantingly so quickly.

The issue is that fully imported buses could be safer, original parts and all, but the taxes on them add to an onerous price. Some are proposing that legislation be passed so that imported buses can be used, say, 10 years, while locally modified buses only 6 tops. That would balane the cost. Still, the price is significantly lower for just importing the chasis and filling in teh interior with local stuff using local labor.

Problem with the locally modified is that people, customers, for example, demand karaoke, it is a vital part of the trip experience. Then we add TV sets, chargers in every seat, etc, BUT there is no legislation, no recommendations even, as to how much amperage, how many electric items can be plugged in the localy modified buses. So people keep adding refrigeratiors, drinking water machines, KTV and nmovie and screens and ... etc... without safety standards... because there are none. One phone charging needs little power. 40 phones charging at the same time, al lot. Meanwhile, you have air conditioning blasting, KTV speakers, lights, etc.

This company in particular had an "accident" in 2014, with a 2 YEAR OLD bus. One of the speakers in a sophisticated audio system short circuited, but people were able to escape. It raises questions as to what they are putting in when a 2 year old bus has such failure due to something that shouln't cause such a huge fire. But it did. And that is why it got worse with this one, wher ea 6 year old bus turns into a death trap in less than a minute.

The bus materials have to be examined, not just the power lines and such. The driver died of smoke inhalation. True, most materials when burning can kill you, but such a devastating fire and killing power hints at something worse.
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