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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Icon » 29 Jul 2016, 09:56

headhonchoII wrote:Bunch of old people burned to death a month ago in A local nursing home, barely registered on the news.


It is almost the same malaise as the bus. Corruption, cost cutting and tragic consequences.

Supposedly, when the oficials in charge of safety inspected the hoime -which is interestingly located in an old factory floor, vacated because, well, there are less and less factories in Xindian- they found everything to code and the numerb of helpers per elderly as per regulations. Lo and behold, just like the bus compoanies put the locks back in place on te emergency exists as soon as the inspection is done, the people removed the extra personnel and left a skeleton crew that was simply physically unable to evacuate and rescue all the elderly people in their care.

One questions why are the elderly homes in such an inhospitable and unriching, not to say a downright depressing environment. People will tell you it is close to the hospital - Cardinal Tien. It is cheap. It is "practical". Both in that area and close to Tzu Chi there are a myriad of such places, for long term care of say people in vegetative states or seriously disabled. Same conditions. Even the after birth places are located in commercial, not residential, buildings.

Given that Taiwan's society is aging rapidly, developing long term elderly care is a priority, at least on paper. Yet you do not see as many healthy, nicer options to the one lonely wheelchair bound, sick, connected to an oxygen tank old person dragged around the park by a South East Asian maid, who is lucky enough at least to have her own cellphone to chat to other maids, and is not also working at the family's restaurant/business plus cooking all their meals/cleaning 24/7... as it happens more often.

This Administratiuon at least has acknowledged that there is a problem. You have seen it has run smack against the mafia that treats the foreign caregivers as slaves with onerous debts. hence, this issue is not easy to solve by any angle you face it. As the buses, there is a vested group or rather individual -the travel agency/store owner- keen in keeping things as they are, cheaper and cheaper, more money for less effort to them, step on everyone's rights cause they can kind. Their business is based on many illegal provisions -monopoly- and cost cutting is par the course...until it gets out of hand or just meets the acumulation of such.

In the ol country we have a very lucrative business of hosting retirees. They have self contained villas with medical care at reasonable prices. We receive massive amounts of retirees from the US and UK. But then we have legal immigration provisons to allow them to retire in the ol country. It is good for both parties: they get affordable, high quality medical care, live in a lush, safe environment... and we get their money, their investments, job production, service chains, etc... Locals also have access to these retirement homes, but most families prefer to take care of the old folk themselves. Its a cultural thing. To have Granny living alone with a maid would make you the comidilla of the town, and probably get you a visit from Social Services. This in the ol country. Of course, this is changing as everywhere else and we do have plenty of cases where people drop off Granps like an unwanted pet at the shelter just before Christmas so they can go on vacation. But still the care received in the private, paid elderly care centers in Taiwan that I have seen so far only compares to the public, free ones in the ol country.

I had an aquiantance back in my college days who wanted to set up some kind of retirement villas here in Taiwan. Wonder what came of his busines splan.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby schwarzwald » 29 Jul 2016, 12:36

Latest news report seem to confirm that the driver of the bus was drunk. 1.075mg/L

http://www.cna.com.tw/news/firstnews/20 ... 008-1.aspx
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Icon » 29 Jul 2016, 13:59

schwarzwald wrote:Latest news report seem to confirm that the driver of the bus was drunk. 1.075mg/L

http://www.cna.com.tw/news/firstnews/20 ... 008-1.aspx


Again, they are pinning this on the dead guy. First theory was that it was some suicide/insurance scam. They claimed the guy got an insurance policy recently and that was his motive.

Weird as he must have gotten drunk somewhere in plain sight in Taipei.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby nonredneck » 29 Jul 2016, 15:25

Seems like a convenient way for the bus company to avoid responsibility.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby schwarzwald » 29 Jul 2016, 17:00

It can change the situation from accident to crime. Prosecutors are not ruling out murder/suicide.

http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201607290009.aspx?

Plus lots of international and mainland media are picking up the drunk driver story.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby Icon » 29 Jul 2016, 17:22

nonredneck wrote:Seems like a convenient way for the bus company to avoid responsibility.


Indeed, makes the whole thing an outlier, not a systemic problem.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby headhonchoII » 29 Jul 2016, 18:09

If he was drunk and there were fuel cans discovered at the front certainly looks like
Murder suicide. Does not excuse lack of emergency exits though.

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I have also noticed the nursing homes (and kindergartens) crammed into
Old factories. Cheap bastards and miserable environments for the old and young.
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Re: Tour bus tragedy

Postby schwarzwald » 29 Jul 2016, 18:15

"Death wish: Investigators of Taiwan bus blaze think driver may have been suicidal"

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/ ... r-may-have?
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