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Election 2016

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Election 2016

Postby MikeN » 20 Jul 2016, 08:30

Now that the primaries are over, and the Republican Convention has started, time to gear up for the Main Event.

The media is once more covering itself with glory; their breathless non-stop coverage of Day One of the Convention has been of whether Melania Trump, a non-native speaker of English, in the candidate's spouse's traditional "My husband is wonderful plus other assorted vacuities" speech, actually said a couple of sentences that closely resembled some similar platitudes once mouthed by Michelle Obama.

It's gonna be a long four months.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby lostinasia » 20 Jul 2016, 10:58

MikeN wrote:Now that the primaries are over, and the Republican Convention has started, time to gear up for the Main Event.

The media is once more covering itself with glory; their breathless non-stop coverage of Day One of the Convention has been of whether Melania Trump, a non-native speaker of English, in the candidate's spouse's traditional "My husband is wonderful plus other assorted vacuities" speech, actually said a couple of sentences that closely resembled some similar platitudes once mouthed by Michelle Obama.

Well, of course it was plagiarized. I assume a speechwriter was lazy and/or incompetent, although Melania's claim that she wrote the speech does mean she takes some of the blame too. These mistakes happen, but to me the bigger issue is the Trump camp's ludicrous attempts to claim it wasn't plagiarized.

But I've read lots of other stuff in the media too, all about the drumbeat of fear coming out of Cleveland, or who these assorted celebrities were.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby hansioux » 20 Jul 2016, 15:16

Don't confuse me with your reasonableness.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby MikeN » 20 Jul 2016, 17:08

Apparently one of the most emotionally charged moments of the first night was when Pat Smith, whose son was killed at Benghazi, was personally blaming Hillary Clinton for his death (ignoring for now that it's not true), and right in the middle Donald Trump called in to Bill O'Reilly to talk about...Donald Trump, of course, causing Fox News to cut away from its convention coverage to cover Trump simply repeating things he's said many times before.

Patricia Smith stood on the stage of the Republican National Convention and emotionally blamed the death of her son in Benghazi, Libya, on Hillary Clinton. Suddenly, Fox News Channel cut away to interview the party’s presumptive presidential nominee, Donald Trump.

For nearly 11 minutes on Monday night, Trump overshadowed his party’s convention with a telephone interview that provided no major news but allowed him to brag about his primary victories, attack the news media and plug his wife’s upcoming speech.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics

I mean, he must have known she was speaking at the time, as it was being covered live by Fox- presumably he just couldn't stand the thought that somebody wasn't talking about him. Totally bizarre- for anyone else.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Winston Smith » 20 Jul 2016, 17:50

lostinasia wrote:
MikeN wrote:Now that the primaries are over, and the Republican Convention has started, time to gear up for the Main Event.

The media is once more covering itself with glory; their breathless non-stop coverage of Day One of the Convention has been of whether Melania Trump, a non-native speaker of English, in the candidate's spouse's traditional "My husband is wonderful plus other assorted vacuities" speech, actually said a couple of sentences that closely resembled some similar platitudes once mouthed by Michelle Obama.

Well, of course it was plagiarized. I assume a speechwriter was lazy and/or incompetent, although Melania's claim that she wrote the speech does mean she takes some of the blame too. These mistakes happen, but to me the bigger issue is the Trump camp's ludicrous attempts to claim it wasn't plagiarized.

But I've read lots of other stuff in the media too, all about the drumbeat of fear coming out of Cleveland, or who these assorted celebrities were.


The whole thing smells like a setup to me. Melania Trump's speechwriters are apparently saying the speech they wrote isn't the one she delivered and some nobody in California happens to remember in real time the wording from a speech Michelle Obama gave eight years before. Not that it matters in the big scheme of things because Trump is a clown who's going down but, speaking for myself, who likes to be played for a fool?
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Re: Election 2016

Postby lostinasia » 20 Jul 2016, 18:00

Winston Smith wrote:The whole thing smells like a setup to me. Melania Trump's speechwriters are apparently saying the speech they wrote isn't the one she delivered ...

I confess I wondered that too - plagiarizing from Michelle Obama seems too perfectly ironic.

I assume there are other post-mortem explanations out there, but the only one I've seen so far is from the New York Times:
The Trump campaign turned to two high-powered speechwriters, who had helped write signature political oratory like George W. Bush’s speech to the nation on Sept. 11, 2001, to introduce Ms. Trump, a Slovenian-born former model, to the nation on the opening night of the Republican National Convention.
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The speechwriters, Matthew Scully and John McConnell, sent Ms. Trump a draft last month, eager for her approval.

Weeks went by. They heard nothing.

Inside Trump Tower, it turned out, Ms. Trump had decided she was uncomfortable with the text, and began tearing it apart, leaving a small fraction of the original.
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It was Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and top adviser, who commissioned the speech from Mr. Scully and Mr. McConnell — and praised their draft. But Ms. Trump decided to revise it, and at one point she turned to a trusted hand: Meredith McIver, a New York City-based former ballet dancer and English major who has worked on some of Mr. Trump’s books, including “Think Like a Billionaire.” It was not clear how much of a hand Ms. McIver had in the final product, and she did not respond to an email on Tuesday.

Research for the speech, it seems, drew them to the previous convention speeches delivered by candidates’ spouses.

The Trump campaign declined to say who or how many senior campaign officials read or reviewed the speech. But when Ms. Trump and her staff had finished revising the speech, virtually all that remained from the original was an introduction and a passage that included the phrase “a national campaign like no other.”
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Re: Election 2016

Postby rowland » 20 Jul 2016, 21:26

She stole all twenty-six letters - A through Z - from Joe Biden.

It was just boilerplate. None of it meant anything when anyone said it. Perhaps Melania was subtly mocking Michelle, but more likely it's a coincidence - mediocre minds think alike.

But, a great way to attack a hated person while avoiding serious discussion. Very childish on the art of the media, but par for the course.

Does anyone remember Biden's penchant for plagiarism? Or Il Douche's? This sort of thing is forgotten over time, because it simply doesn't matter.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby MikeN » 21 Jul 2016, 11:39

I do like the GOP's new official slogan:

"She's a witch! Burn her!!"

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"She turned me into a Newt!"
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Re: Election 2016

Postby MikeN » 21 Jul 2016, 12:13

Ted Cruz refused to endorse Donald Trump in daring and dramatic fashion on Wednesday, telling Republicans to “vote your conscience” in a 20-minute snub that played out in slow-motion on national television.
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Boos rained down on Cruz and his wife had to be escorted from the hall amid verbal taunts in an unreal scene that marked an end to a surreal primary season.
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“Wow, Ted Cruz got booed off the stage, didn't honor the pledge! I saw his speech two hours early but let him speak anyway. No big deal!” he wrote.


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/r ... z4F0sGpPCw

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Re: Election 2016

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 21 Jul 2016, 13:08

I feel so overwhelmed at these various elections. Can we just fast forward about 5-10 years to the revolutions, civil wars and four horsemen?
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