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Election 2016

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Re: Election 2016

Postby MikeN » 21 Jul 2016, 15:27

The Revolution will be televised, even if it's miniscule on either side

RNC’s bizarre protest theater: Cops and journalists vastly outnumber actual protesters
A few right-wing dudes with guns meet a few angry leftists -- and a massive press corps desperate for action


http://www.salon.com/2016/07/20/rncs_bi ... rotesters/
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Re: Election 2016

Postby rowland » 21 Jul 2016, 20:50

Missing the point. The real protests are going on inside.
Big government is for those who can't handle freedom. Political correctness is for those who can't handle reality.

Gun-free zones are where the gun violence happens. Ban gun-free zones before many more get killed. Also, gun violence in Europe is as bad as in US, and getting worse.

The most bigoted people in the world insist that they are the most open-minded, the cruelest people in the world insist that they are the most compassionate, and the most illogical insist that they are the most logical.

Just because Al Gore says there's a planetary emergency doesn't mean there's a planetary emergency. And just because somebody says it's science doesn't mean it's science.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby MikeN » 21 Jul 2016, 21:39

Jesus, Putin must be licking his chops at the thought of doing the Art of the Deal with Bozo the Clown.

Donald Trump's suggestion that the U.S. shouldn't automatically come to the defense of its NATO allies if they are attacked is already alarming longstanding American allies — and is likely to please U.S. rival Russia.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/t ... mes-225942
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Re: Election 2016

Postby MikeN » 21 Jul 2016, 22:07

“It’s worse than a crime, it’s a mistake”.

If Trump loses, as is still probable, it won’t be a blow-out. That will leave many Trump supporters embittered at Cruz for this stab in the front, and blaming him for the loss.

They will remember it in 2020. If, as is likely, Rubio wins his Senate seat back, his will have been the cleverest move. Don’t show up (unlike,say, Walker) so you can’t be identified with the loser, but do give enough of a tepid endorsement that nobody can point the finger at you.

Prediction: Hillary wins the general; GOP holds the House; Dems take the Senate by the slimmest of margins, but lose it in 2018. Republicans keep up their total obstruction tactics; Rubio takes it in 2020 as fatigue with the Democrats sets in.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Dog's_Breakfast » 21 Jul 2016, 22:14

"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."
- Eric Hoffer
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Re: Election 2016

Postby hansioux » 21 Jul 2016, 22:18



It's good that the POTUS won't visit Taiwan any time soon then... Imagine all the psychiatric help they would need.
Don't confuse me with your reasonableness.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby kelake » 21 Jul 2016, 22:46

I remember a time when US politicians talked about issues, their approaches to problems and the direction they wish to take the country. I recently saw a discussion between Bush Sr. and Reagan that was actually civil and polite while focusing on each others differences. A shocking difference from what is heard today.

Today, the Republican party seems to be all about framing, ... those who aren't like us are the enemy, hate, blaming, building walls, lies and a complete lack of discourse of any kind.

It's not just Trump. I seldom see any discussion of issues online either. Listening to opposing sides is like listening to elementary kids with entrenched positions argue.

I don't know how Americans handle it.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby rowland » 22 Jul 2016, 11:32

kelake wrote:Today, the Republican party seems to be all about framing, ... those who aren't like us are the enemy, hate, blaming, building walls, lies and a complete lack of discourse of any kind.

Thomas Paine once wrote something about the time for debate, and the time for politics by other means. To everything, there is a season.

People are waking up to the fact that there's nothing left to talk about, and no point in listening to liars. We are entering a nasty phase of history. Nothing fails like failure.

Ted Cruz was, by certain standards, extremely disloyal. But loyalty is dead. He was just trying to give it a proper Viking funeral so we can move on.
Big government is for those who can't handle freedom. Political correctness is for those who can't handle reality.

Gun-free zones are where the gun violence happens. Ban gun-free zones before many more get killed. Also, gun violence in Europe is as bad as in US, and getting worse.

The most bigoted people in the world insist that they are the most open-minded, the cruelest people in the world insist that they are the most compassionate, and the most illogical insist that they are the most logical.

Just because Al Gore says there's a planetary emergency doesn't mean there's a planetary emergency. And just because somebody says it's science doesn't mean it's science.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby MikeN » 22 Jul 2016, 11:49

Conspiracy theories abound!

As it turns out, the Trumps had Cruz's speech beforehand, and knew it wasn't going to endorse Donald. They then instructed the New York delegation to erupt into boos at a certain place in Cruz's speech

If you love our country, and love our children as much as you do, stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution.

[BOOING ERUPTS]

Booing erupts, but ONLY from the New York delegates.

Cruz, visibly surprised:
I appreciate the enthusiasm of the New York delegation.


Note: theoretically, nobody except the Convention coordinators (the Trump campaign) knows what's in the speech- for all the New Yorkers know, the next sentence could be a ringing endorsement of Trump.

Chants break out against Cruz's wife, who has to be escorted out: "Goldman Sachs! Goldman Sachs!" Kind of a bizarre thing to 'spontaneously' come to mind.

Trump makes an entrance, the music swells, spotlights turn to him, the lights onstage fade, leaving Cruz standing there in the dimness.

Trump immediately starts tweeting, including about Cruz being almost assaulted and being turned away by Sheldon Adelson.

Would Donald be the kind of guy that would organise this to try to humiliate Cruz that way? You betcha.

The only thing is that he apparently didn't realise that the spin would be: Republicans split; Ted Cruz honourable martyr to his conscience.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby rowland » 22 Jul 2016, 21:22

MikeN wrote:The only thing is that he apparently didn't realise that the spin would be: Republicans split; Ted Cruz honourable martyr to his conscience.


Cruz would prefer to go out in a blaze of glory, since the alternative is to rot.

Speaking of rot...

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Gun-free zones are where the gun violence happens. Ban gun-free zones before many more get killed. Also, gun violence in Europe is as bad as in US, and getting worse.

The most bigoted people in the world insist that they are the most open-minded, the cruelest people in the world insist that they are the most compassionate, and the most illogical insist that they are the most logical.

Just because Al Gore says there's a planetary emergency doesn't mean there's a planetary emergency. And just because somebody says it's science doesn't mean it's science.
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