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Election 2016

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Re: Election 2016

Postby rowland » 27 Jul 2016, 03:05

MikeN wrote:The Revolution will be televised, even if it's miniscule on either side

RNC’s bizarre protest theater: Cops and journalists vastly outnumber actual protesters
A few right-wing dudes with guns meet a few angry leftists -- and a massive press corps desperate for action



By way of comparison...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/how-enth ... found-out/

Meanwhile, I arrived here in Philadelphia this weekend to a swarm of protestors at every imaginable corner of the city. On Sunday, I counted maybe 2 Clinton supporters for every 50 Berners; it is now the Democrats who seem to be frayed


Frayed of what?

Still not as bad as 1968. Good thing they put up those barricades.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby hansioux » 27 Jul 2016, 15:57

For those who aren't into emphasizing feelings over facts, this is a great summary of most predictions made by prominent statisticians.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=1
Don't confuse me with your reasonableness.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby rowland » 27 Jul 2016, 21:57

Well, the Bernie bros are not taking things well. Still, they're mostly peaceful. Some clashes with the police, but mostly walkouts and and sit-ins. A lot them say they wish he'd done as Cruz did - the political equivalent of a suicide bombing.

The BLM protests are pushing whites to the back. No racism there, nope.

The MSM is gushing over the glass ceiling thingie, while the Donald is getting a big bump in the polls. Everyone knows much of the media are partisan, especially after Wikileaks revealed the coordination. We'll see in November how badly the American voters need to prove to themselves that they're not sexist.

Diversity! Inclusion! Unity! Bullshit!

If both major parties go under at the same time, I for one will rejoice. A third party vote is more meaningful now than it has been in centuries.
Big government is for those who can't handle freedom. Political correctness is for those who can't handle reality.

Gun-free zones are where the gun violence happens. Ban gun-free zones before many more get killed. Also, gun violence in Europe is as bad as in US, and getting worse.

The most bigoted people in the world insist that they are the most open-minded, the cruelest people in the world insist that they are the most compassionate, and the most illogical insist that they are the most logical.

Just because Al Gore says there's a planetary emergency doesn't mean there's a planetary emergency. And just because somebody says it's science doesn't mean it's science.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Dog's_Breakfast » 28 Jul 2016, 08:56

A brilliant discussion and analysis by Thomas Frank and Robert Scheer, who are currently attending the Democratic convention. Thomas Frank is the author of two political books that I've read, What's The Matter With Kansas and The Wrecking Crew, and writes a column for The Guardian. Robert Scheer is the editor at truthdig.com. They are discussing why Hillary is a disaster. Neither of them are Trump supporters (in fact, they both supported Bernie Sanders). Anyone who wants to understand why Trump could win this election should take the time to watch this interview, but liberals in particular need to hear this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxYOKW_H30M
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Re: Election 2016

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 28 Jul 2016, 11:06

rowland wrote:Well, the Bernie bros are not taking things well. Still, they're mostly peaceful. Some clashes with the police, but mostly walkouts and and sit-ins. A lot them say they wish he'd done as Cruz did - the political equivalent of a suicide bombing.

The BLM protests are pushing whites to the back. No racism there, nope.

The MSM is gushing over the glass ceiling thingie, while the Donald is getting a big bump in the polls. Everyone knows much of the media are partisan, especially after Wikileaks revealed the coordination. We'll see in November how badly the American voters need to prove to themselves that they're not sexist.

Diversity! Inclusion! Unity! Bullshit!

If both major parties go under at the same time, I for one will rejoice. A third party vote is more meaningful now than it has been in centuries.


I'm not sure that anyone could fix this mess. I'm not even sure another Pearl Harbor or 9/11 type event could unite the country at this point, regardless of who would be in power from whichever party. I think that there are fundamental divisions within the USA that can no longer be papered over. It might be time to start seriously talking about separation, hopefully more like Czech Republic/Slovakia than India/Pakistan (or Pakistan/Bangladesh).
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Re: Election 2016

Postby GuyInTaiwan » 28 Jul 2016, 11:55

Dog's_Breakfast wrote:A brilliant discussion and analysis by Thomas Frank and Robert Scheer, who are currently attending the Democratic convention. Thomas Frank is the author of two political books that I've read, What's The Matter With Kansas and The Wrecking Crew, and writes a column for The Guardian. Robert Scheer is the editor at truthdig.com. They are discussing why Hillary is a disaster. Neither of them are Trump supporters (in fact, they both supported Bernie Sanders). Anyone who wants to understand why Trump could win this election should take the time to watch this interview, but liberals in particular need to hear this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxYOKW_H30M


That was pretty interesting, even though I come from a somewhat different angle. I imagine that it will fall on deaf ears though.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Tempo Gain » 28 Jul 2016, 12:30

Dog's_Breakfast wrote: (in fact, they both supported Bernie Sanders).


Gee imagine that. Not enough time in the day at this point. One or the other is going to be the next President and that's it. Hillary's writing has been on the wall for like 20 years already, it's like telling a guy about to cross the finish line in a marathon that he's going to be tired.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby Dog's_Breakfast » 28 Jul 2016, 16:02

Tempo Gain wrote:
Dog's_Breakfast wrote: (in fact, they both supported Bernie Sanders).


Gee imagine that. Not enough time in the day at this point. One or the other is going to be the next President and that's it. Hillary's writing has been on the wall for like 20 years already, it's like telling a guy about to cross the finish line in a marathon that he's going to be tired.


GuyInTaiwan wrote:That was pretty interesting, even though I come from a somewhat different angle. I imagine that it will fall on deaf ears though.


GuyInTaiwan, it certainly didn't take long for you to be proved right.
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Re: Election 2016

Postby rowland » 28 Jul 2016, 19:32

Tempo Gain wrote:Hillary's writing has been on the wall for like 20 years already, it's like telling a guy about to cross the finish line in a marathon that he's going to be tired.


Don't you think she looks tired?
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The most bigoted people in the world insist that they are the most open-minded, the cruelest people in the world insist that they are the most compassionate, and the most illogical insist that they are the most logical.

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Re: Election 2016

Postby rowland » 28 Jul 2016, 19:33

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Gun-free zones are where the gun violence happens. Ban gun-free zones before many more get killed. Also, gun violence in Europe is as bad as in US, and getting worse.

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