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Re: negotiating salary

Postby Andrew0409 » 27 Jul 2016, 15:21

Rocket wrote:
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Rocket wrote:First and foremost, you need to ascertain if other guys doing the same job are getting the kind of dough you're asking for.
If they aren't, you're more than likely humped.
Even with a letter from your gym teacher.

(Unless you were counting on the Humility Bonus)


What I getting is the starting salary rate at 300/hr. I want 400, I don't think that ridiculous to ask for what I bring to the table. 100nt more is not a huge increase for them but it makes a big difference for me. I had a job offer that;s paying 65k to start with a 5k signing bonus, but I need to stay in Taiwan for personal reasons due to family health reasons. I have the resume and experience for a much higher paying job in the states, I just need enough for the next year to live off of before I return to the states.


Yeah, but, again, are other dudes getting 400?
That's the point.

I can pretty much guarantee that 100 bones is a pretty big deal to them, FWIW.


I would assume so since I was told they start off people at 300 and go from there.

This place charges 6k for five 1 hour sessions. It's a very expansive place, I don't think 400nt/hr is crazy when you charge that much per kid.
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby zender » 27 Jul 2016, 16:08

If they're charging NT$1200/hour, you deserve higher pay.

English schools pay over 50% of the money they charge one-on-one students to the teacher. They're offering you 25%?
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby Andrew0409 » 27 Jul 2016, 17:08

zender wrote:If they're charging NT$1200/hour, you deserve higher pay.

English schools pay over 50% of the money they charge one-on-one students to the teacher. They're offering you 25%?


I agree, especially for the weekday program. I'm fluent in both English and Chinese, and the kids are 2-6. I will be able to communicate with the kids and with the parents directly without issue. With 2 years of teaching experience and all my athletic experience I think 400 is fair.

I also think 400 is fair for coaching basketball for their weekend program for kids ranging from age groups up to 18 a hour. And I think they charge a ridiculous amount for that, more then 1,200 a hour.t a

Also, I the schedule is not consistent like a weekly teaching schedule, it changes weekly. Thats a concern for me, there's no contract that sets me at this many hours and which days I work. So some weeks I may have more hours and have to move my schedule around for them and some weeks I may get less hours. It makes it all the more difficult to budget and manage my weekly schedule.
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby headhonchoII » 27 Jul 2016, 19:52

Can you not set something up yourself? You can charge way less per student and earn much more than these rip-off merchants are offering.

4x500x30kids will get you what they are offering. If they want individual coaching you'd charge more.

But I also understand it might take a little while to build up and figure things out. You could offer free first class for newcomers.
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby yyy » 27 Jul 2016, 23:04

Andrew0409 wrote:and the kids are 2-6

Two to six kids per class or two to six years old? :eek:
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby Andrew0409 » 27 Jul 2016, 23:17

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Andrew0409 wrote:and the kids are 2-6

Two to six kids per class or two to six years old? :eek:


2-6 years old. The class range from 5-15 kids.
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby Andrew0409 » 27 Jul 2016, 23:19

headhonchoII wrote:Can you not set something up yourself? You can charge way less per student and earn much more than these rip-off merchants are offering.

4x500x30kids will get you what they are offering. If they want individual coaching you'd charge more.

But I also understand it might take a little while to build up and figure things out. You could offer free first class for newcomers.


You forget the overhead cost of having the space in taipei for activities for kids and renting out a basketball gym for basketball.
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby yyy » 27 Jul 2016, 23:54

Andrew0409 wrote:
yyy wrote:
Andrew0409 wrote:and the kids are 2-6

Two to six kids per class or two to six years old? :eek:


2-6 years old. The class range from 5-15 kids.

No matter what your skills, and no matter what he tells the customers, the boss probably sees you as an overpaid babysitter. How much do kindergarten gym teachers earn? If you push the bilingual angle ("It's really English lessons in disguise, so they won't even know they're learning! The new frontier in TPR!"), maybe citing the market rate for foreign English teachers at the kindergarten level will get you somewhere. That and experience in childcare.
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby Andrew0409 » 28 Jul 2016, 00:35

yyy wrote:
Andrew0409 wrote:
yyy wrote:
Andrew0409 wrote:and the kids are 2-6

Two to six kids per class or two to six years old? :eek:


2-6 years old. The class range from 5-15 kids.

No matter what your skills, and no matter what he tells the customers, the boss probably sees you as an overpaid babysitter. How much do kindergarten gym teachers earn? If you push the bilingual angle ("It's really English lessons in disguise, so they won't even know they're learning! The new frontier in TPR!"), maybe citing the market rate for foreign English teachers at the kindergarten level will get you somewhere. That and experience in childcare.


What is the rate for kinddy classes?

I mean this is a really nich market for parents with money that want their kids to have more learning than just at school. It's actually harder than kindergarten in some ways, the parents are there with you and they will be like the rich parents and expect everything to be perfect. So I'd expect more than 300 with experience teaching, in athletics and bilingual ability.
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Re: negotiating salary

Postby Andrew0409 » 28 Jul 2016, 21:50

So the head coach and director is on my side, he will vouch for me on my ability with the owner. But can anyone tell me the average rate for kindergarten classes so I can use that as a comparison?
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