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Taiwan better off as a colony?

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Taiwan better off as a colony?

Postby Falcon » 03 Sep 2004, 12:23

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AWOL wrote:Inefficient companies at the SME level exist in every economy and Taiwan is certainly not immune nor the only market that experiences the folding of SME's left right and centre. It is an international phenomenon... only the strong (or efficient) survive, unless bolstered by govt (read cronyism) over time.

And to think that the Taiwanese want to declare independence, and they truly believe that they have the ability to run their own country !!!

As an overview and analysis of the commentary in this thread, I am going to have to say that the Taiwanese are currently only suitable to be a "colony" of some advanced country .......... they certainly don't have the smarts to go it alone in the world community.
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Postby BAH » 03 Sep 2004, 12:48

Falcon wrote:As an overview and analysis of the commentary in this thread, I am going to have to say that the Taiwanese are currently only suitable to be a "colony" of some advanced country .......... they certainly don't have the smarts to go it alone in the world community.


That is incredibly offensive.

Taiwan is going it in the world, in an environment where a hostile power is trying to isolate it.

Thanks but no thanks for the "overview" and "analysis."
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Postby Mr He » 03 Sep 2004, 12:53

BAH wrote: That is incredibly offensive.

Taiwan is going it in the world, in an environment where a hostile power is trying to isolate it.

Thanks but no thanks for the "overview" and "analysis."


On price only seen from an economic viewpoint. After having spent time in several Taiwanese companies, I would say that most don't have what it takes to enter the world markets in a meaningful way.
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Postby BAH » 03 Sep 2004, 13:11

Mr He wrote:
BAH wrote: That is incredibly offensive.

Taiwan is going it in the world, in an environment where a hostile power is trying to isolate it.

Thanks but no thanks for the "overview" and "analysis."


On price only seen from an economic viewpoint. After having spent time in several Taiwanese companies, I would say that most don't have what it takes to enter the world markets in a meaningful way.


That's fine, saying Taiwan firms have a ways to go in competing in world markets in a meaningful way. And from what I have read, the leadership at Kedge does have a problem with company culture and basic competence.

But saying the Taiwanese people are fit only to be ruled by an advanced country? That's just over the top and offensive.
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Postby Mr He » 03 Sep 2004, 13:23

agree BAH
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Postby Jive Turkey » 03 Sep 2004, 13:43

BAH wrote:
Mr He wrote:
BAH wrote: That is incredibly offensive.

Taiwan is going it in the world, in an environment where a hostile power is trying to isolate it.

Thanks but no thanks for the "overview" and "analysis."


On price only seen from an economic viewpoint. After having spent time in several Taiwanese companies, I would say that most don't have what it takes to enter the world markets in a meaningful way.


That's fine, saying Taiwan firms have a ways to go in competing in world markets in a meaningful way. And from what I have read, the leadership at Kedge does have a problem with company culture and basic competence.

But saying the Taiwanese people are fit only to be ruled by an advanced country? That's just over the top and offensive.

I don't know, BAH, I might have to agree with Falcon. :roll: However, if we are going to follow his line of thought to its logical conclusion, then mainland China is in even greater need of being ruled by an "advanced nation." Everything that has been brought up in this thread about poor business practices can be found in spades on the mainland. It makes Taiwan seem almost first world. Come to think of it, the only Chinese societies that don't do this sort of mickymouse shit are Hong Kong and Singapore, two places that were colonized by the British. Yes, I think the US and Britain should impose their benevolent rule on both Taiwan and the mainland, using the Taiwanese as our compradors of course.

Falcon, I rarely read anything as nonsensical as what you posted. What a crock of shit.
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Postby Kairos » 03 Sep 2004, 19:08

BAH wrote:That's fine, saying Taiwan firms have a ways to go in competing in world markets in a meaningful way. And from what I have read, the leadership at Kedge does have a problem with company culture and basic competence.

But saying the Taiwanese people are fit only to be ruled by an advanced country? That's just over the top and offensive.

That is not in the least bit offensive ........ it is just a statement of reality. The Taiwanese people need to wake up to the international reality that they are in no way, shape, or form fully capable of running their own country.

I agree ...... Taiwan is only at the stage of development where it is fit to be a colony of an advanced western power .......... and I suggest that the USA would be an excellent choice.
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Postby jimmy » 03 Sep 2004, 19:20

September 3, 2004 (Friday)
Taipei Times wrote:Kids from the US, for example, have fun during the little league games, but ours tend to play serious baseball to live up to "the system's" expectations. For the most talented ones, they'll probably earn good money when they get to the Chinese Professional Baseball League (CPBL), but won't have much chance to face international opponents. But in the US and Japan, players have access to formal, professional training and have the opportunity to play in leagues worldwide. Our pro baseball players, however, are challenged only at the national level; they don't go any further.

Without a baseball league supported by wealthy investors here, the only way out is to send talented Taiwanese children to Japan or the US to flourish in their baseball leagues. In an era of globalized baseball, I have to admit that Taiwan is not the right place for kids with baseball dreams.

Even the local newspapers are effectively saying that Taiwan cannot survive as a country, because it simply does not have the level of resources and talent available to live up to the local Taiwanese people's expectations !!

The obvious solution, as pointed out above, is for Taiwan to become a colony of a leading superpower ........
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Postby BAH » 03 Sep 2004, 20:49

Who do you think is running Taiwan now? Who's been running it since after WWII? Of course, there are certain spoken and unspoken security arrangements with the United States, but to assert that it's incapable of "running itself" and only fit to be a colony is more racist, I'm afraid, than the aforementioned Mr. Young.

Are you going to suggest taking on the "white man's burden" next? :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Isaac » 03 Sep 2004, 21:35

jimmy wrote:Even the local newspapers are effectively saying that Taiwan cannot survive as a country, because it simply does not have the level of resources and talent available to live up to the local Taiwanese people's expectations !!


How exactly does a quote from a newspaper about kids in Taiwan having to play serious baseball (little league no less) to live up to the "system's" expectations leads you to conclude that Taiwan cannot function as a country (or de-facto country as it is)?

Kairos wrote:I agree ...... Taiwan is only at the stage of development where it is fit to be a colony of an advanced western power .......... and I suggest that the USA would be an excellent choice.


By that logic most of Asia would have to be colonies of "advanced western powers". Care to enlighten us with this... international reality that you speak of?

I am sure if tomorrow Taiwan was to declare independence and barring any attacks from China, it would just implode and collapse on itself. :roll:
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