hansioux wrote:kevinsang01212 wrote:Ok it is a fact there is an issue there in China. Of course there is. It is every where.
doesn't mean it is not propaganda. It is used by the west to attack China and most people in US forget about themselves so they focus the problems abroad.
YOU have no rights when u r at the bottom of that pyramid. Doesn't matter if u are in US or China
You are still saying "i caught you running red lights, so what you said about me driving drunk is propaganda". Is that not in itself a fallacy?
Saying US is as bad as China in terms of human rights is one thing. But saying both sides are the same, so criticizing human rights in China is a propaganda, it just seems odd to me. So if the "west" criticizing China's human rights situation is propaganda, then in your mind who and which countries can criticize China on this issue?
I don't agree with the assessment that the US is as bad as China in terms of human rights because like headhonchoII said, even though there have been laws passed recently that I feel is against the principles of human rights, but some basic rights are still protected. The foundation of the US government is that these rights ought to be protected, so no one will just shrug their shoulders and say "what can you do, the government can do what ever they want". Having lived through part of the martial law and dictatorship in Taiwan, I just don't feel your equivocations comes close to the how things really are.
One major difference, if you are in the US, and you feel this way about the government, you can talk about it, even do something about it, either preach it to the public or run for office . Of course the unfortunate Citizen United ruling probably is making that even harder... but at least when you gather enough public opinions on your side, issues will be looked and voted on. None of these things can be done in China (or Taiwan 25 years ago) without being taken to the police office.
Well, whenever I saw an excess of human rights issues in China compared to the human rights issues in US where as The US is very prone on human rights violations. Something always don't seem right.
So here is my argument:
1. There is an excess of human right issues in main stream media about China/Asia in TW and the West compared to human rights issues about US BUT I could find equal amount of abusive occurrences about US. I could say the same thing on this forum I presume. So whats going on here???? It is trying to portray Governments in the West are better at Human rights than China / other Asian countries. By put more info out there about human rights abusive in China / Asian than human rights abuse in US, it is telling u that US is better at Human rights. Is it not a propaganda if US also abuse human right in a lot of areas?? And we don't talk about it that much? Isn't this a propaganda? it is a White men supremecy propaganda.
U put that pic as a human rights issue. OK
But I could find the same pics in US like that and do we talk about it that much? Does TW main stream media report that or something like that and label that as human rights issues as often???? and put up posters?????
hansioux wrote:"You are still saying "i caught you running red lights, so what you said about me driving drunk is propaganda". Is that not in itself a fallacy? "
I think your example is not as well suited as the other guy calling me a wanker.
Calling another person a wanker or some names is a process of demeaning another personal. Pretty low... only used in Kindergartens but it is for another time
What is the purpose of demeaning another person?? It is trying to make this person a lower status in a group/ social group
By calling me a wanker over and over. After a period of time. People would say Kevin is a wanker and we are not and we are all better than him and lets not listen what he has to say because he has a lower status by now. This is what 王道 is about. I don't know the name in English but is basically a game of how to higher your status and lower another's in a social group.
But in reality that guy (I couldnt bother to see the handle) is doing the same thing and everybody know it. Facts are there. Unless he couldnt get it up
2. Comparing they are the same. They are the same in nature. They are the same in what they do.
Local establishments that try to maximise their positions.
Expanding their influences and gather resources so
They can SELF PERPETUATE.
Self Perpetuating Actions indeed. This this why they do in #1. Part of what they do.
what ever rights / well being we have right now.
It is only there when the local establishment can afford to do while maintaining its position as well as it can
Please listen to: http://www.criticalthinkeracademy.com/2 ... f-defense/ around 2:50
It is about self interest
And when a local estalishment wishes to violate your rights so they can self perpetuate, they will do it!!! u bet they will
Thats whats happening in US. Their rights are getting taken away everyday and there is nothing they can do about it.
When there are less and less for US to exploit, this situation will get more severe.